Article on infideltity in COL by El tiempo..

utopiacowboy says on Jun 27, 2005, 16:20:

This doesn't surprise me at all either. Of course they have to be cheating with someone - what are the stats on the women?

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Peter Miami says on Jun 27, 2005, 16:31:

It does not surprise me from seeing all the Colombian men I have met in Colombia. Not all of them cheat but at least 75% of the Colombian men that I have met do. The Colombian women let them get away with it.

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caslug says on Jun 27, 2005, 16:33:

from what i gather from the article.. with interenet translation. 3 in 10 women cheat. So most men cheat with single girls not other married ones, makes sense. Men cheat because they're horny while women tend to cheat because they're piss, lonely or want revenge.

But it gives heart to those women that married COL men IN COL, because TWO out ten are faithfull! That's 2 more than i thought! I guess those two guys are married to desi and shazcas..LOL!

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goosekirk says on Jun 27, 2005, 18:07:

One time I had a Colombian friend ask me if I was sleeping with any other girls besides my girlfriend. I said, nah, not my thing, I'm too honest a guy to get away with it. Besides, it's more trouble than it's worth, if you ask me.

He told me it was perfectly normal in Colombia, and furthermore, I needed to start, or my girlfriend would think I was a chump.

My other Colombian friends generally disagree, but I notice not wholeheartedly.

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Rubiazo says on Jun 27, 2005, 19:01:

Technically that's not just fornication, it's adulterey :))

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caslug says on Jun 27, 2005, 19:06:

Technically.. is it cheating if you use a condom and you don't kiss? Isn't that just like having sex w yourself con condom? Hmm... I had friend that explain to me that logic once, i like to think so, but he was too chicken to tell his GF the same logic..LOL! So maybe if the other 20% of COL guys are using condoms, hence not technically cheating..

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Jun 27, 2005, 19:11:

I wish I could insert a sound file on this site. The Church Lady skit from Saturday Night Live would be good right about now, especially the long, drawn out SATANNNNN!

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rjstuff says on Jun 27, 2005, 20:53:

If 8 out of 10 cheat and 2 out of 10 are homosexuals - hmmm!!!!

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utopiacowboy says on Jun 27, 2005, 21:13:

Goosekirk's friend's comments seem to indicate that Colombianas want their men to cheat. Nothing could be further from the truth. They prize fidelity. In fact this is why I can go to Medellin and have women falling all over me - without Ben Franklin's help. I'm a gringo and the Colombianas think that they make the best husbands. Of course since they're Colombianas, for the most part, they're stuck with the men they've got there but given a choice almost all of them would go for a gringo. This isn't to say that there are not a lot of good faithful husbands there - my sisters-in-law are married to a couple of very fine men. And as I keep telling them, many American men are terrible husbands.

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shirly1981 says on Jun 28, 2005, 02:32:

Thats what i said........... Now you see why colombian women what to try something different, no more locals Gringos are coming ajjajajajaja

Sophia

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rona says on Jun 28, 2005, 06:22:

anybody . . . What are the laws concerning adultery within marriage in Colombia?
Do they have the same legal repercussions as here in the US?

My guess is that these answers will give a clearer picture as to why this is more acceptable

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Crazy4Cali says on Jun 28, 2005, 06:26:

legal repercussions? What "legal repercussions" are there of adultery in the United States?

I thought it was just less socially unacceptable here in the US (in most circles, anyway).

Now, you might find yourself in a nasty divorce and the financial repercussions would probably be worse than any criminal charge but that's different.

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fosth says on Jun 28, 2005, 06:43:

As the saying goes... Why have a hamburger when you've got a steak at home?
Well sometimes all you want is a hamburger!!

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juanalejo says on Jun 28, 2005, 06:48:

Cheating The article stated that men have actually cheated but not they cheat on a constant basis. It states that in average men in Colombia cheat 4.4 times in their life time. 57% of them are honest enough to accept they cheated the others are not. I also think that it happens all over the world, just Latins are more open about it. A friend of mine who works at the Royal Hotel chain in Colombia tells me 80% of American men who stay at the hotels would at one point ask for a hooker or pick up somebody to stay with them at the hotel. They have to keep track of it as they have to charge for the extra person. He says although most of them pay for the extra charge themselves, they are some that do not mind including it into company bills. I feel sorry for all those women who marry American men just for the faithful side, at least as the study suggests most Colombian men cheat with coworkers and friends, not hookers when off on a business of fishing trips

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elmodefoque says on Jun 28, 2005, 06:53:

I believe having protected sex with a prostitute is NOT cheating. First, is the thing with the condom, no actual skin contact, no cheating involved. Also, paying for it completely eliminates the entire cheating label, Why modefoque? well, you’re not telling some broad that you love her just to get her legs wide open, all you’re doing is making a business arrangement, how much for sex? how much for a bj? how much for el chiquito? how much to pee on your head (don't act all grossed out, like you guys never pee on a girl before) etc, or how much for all?
There is no kissing or feelings involved that will in anyway jeopardize your love for your spouse.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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rona says on Jun 28, 2005, 06:56:

C4C well that's what I meant . . . its usually grounds for divorce here and it weighs heavily in favor of the victim - is it criminal? - no of course not, but if there are financial repercussions, isn't it because there are laws that say so?
. . . on a different note, I read the article and I might as well be reading an article in "Esquire", "GQ" or any periodicals about American men - we are really not that much different than anybody else, I don't think we're special just because we're American; we have the same tendencies as anybody else - whether or not we follow through on them is up to the individual . . .

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juanalejo says on Jun 28, 2005, 08:25:

Cheating I guess GIB it depends on how you were raised and also depends on who you hang around with. And hence the stereotypes. I do not cheat, I live happily with my GF and have done for years now. None of the friends I have cheat either hence no bragging about anything. I do have a few business acquaintances who cheat, no denying there, but bragging is not much popular as the number of women in my business circle is high. But if you ask my GF she would say that if I receive an international visit, she likes it as it meens going out etc, except that is if they are American as she assumes they are into other interests. Not always true but many times. Also most of the times we have international conferences most other Latinamerican business guys bring their partners while most Americans do not. That is my perception of things, but I would not assume anything as I have seen lots of angles from lots of places.

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bondjames says on Jun 28, 2005, 11:50:

80% of married men are cheating with who?????? If only 30% of married women cheat, that would mean a majority of married men are cheating with single women. That would tell me then single women either have many "boyfriends" and single guys are sitting home alone while married guys get most of the dates.

But why would the single women ignore the single men for married men? Could it be because they are searching for a man who is prosperous and would rather take a married man that spoils them than a single man without much money? That does not say a lot for the single girls willing to cheat with a married man. What goes around comes around!!!!!!!!

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goosekirk says on Jun 28, 2005, 11:59:

GiB Right on. I couldn't agree more. I don't care if my Colombian friends give me a hard time for not chasing after every girl that goes by... I've gotta live with myself.

And there are lots of guys who feel the same, or at least have respect for the concept.

UC, I agree with that, too. It seems like some girls I know are resigned to the games and BS that go on, but they still don't like it. I think my friend's comments were just a way to justify his own behavior.

I have a very good Colombian friend who still lives with his parents. His mom is a tough woman, hardworking, and very cool. And his father seems like a great guy. Middle-class, regular people who take great care of their children. But from what I gather, his dad usually spends his nights somewhere else. My friend certainly isn't about to ask what the deal is, but however the arrangement works, it doesn't seem like something that would fly in the US. My impression is that mom isn't very happy, but dad's having a fine time. But who knows.

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lpdiver says on Jun 28, 2005, 12:26:

i suspect That a lot of gringos go there and don't bother with the marriage and just enjoy. My wife keeps very close track of me as she knows personally that three of her sisters and all of her friends would jump me in a heartbeat given the chance. She doesn't trust me enough to leave anything to chance! Meanwhile it is fun.

Tony

"In the land of the blind one eyed men are kings!"

"cook some rice!"

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lockheed says on Jun 28, 2005, 13:25:

Every Culture Cheats Researchers should stop studying fricking cheetah's chasing antilopes, and start studying humans, put hidden cameras and study the human cheating ritual, that will get alot of viewers back on DSC.
They made a marriage survey in Germany and they concluded that 3 fathers out of every 10 are raising kids that they think is theirs.

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caslug says on Jun 28, 2005, 13:53:

Some culture it is easier to cheat than other.. due to socialeconomic differences and opp't. In the US, it's HARDER to cheat because lack of time, money & opp't. In COL the minimum money require to cheat is a LOT lower than the US AND tons of opp't. Step into ANY strip club in COL(a front for prostitution) and you will FIND TONS of local and ONE foreigner, if at all. Go to those places right around 6-8pm, you'll find TONS of business type guys that just got off work.

Culturally, cheating in america TODAY is NOT the norm, however i suspect 40 years or more ago it was more of the norm. Just among my friends/aquintance in US that are white collar professional, they don't cheat. Not because they do want to,(all of them were tempt at one time or another) but because they didn't have the opportunity. I think if they were in COL living as a COL white collar professional, they would have AMPLE opp't AND WOULD cheat. Also, WOMEN in US is LOT less forgiving to infidelity than COL, BECAUSE WOMEN in the US have more choices. THey dump one white collar worker, they can get another easily. Then that average chump has to WORK HARD to find a CUTE GF or wife. In COL he can find a cute girl in a heartbeat that will go out with him. Cheating for average guy in the US is not realistic, the cost(being dumped, trying to find replacement) heavily outweighs the benefits! Instead what US guys do it, dump the first chick IF they find someone better. But not before. WHY DO YOU THINK PORN IS SO POPULAR IN THE US!! It's the ONLY SAFE Outlet for cheating for most guys in US! LOL!

THe guys that i see cheat in the US were either a) really good looking or b) got lots of money. If you're an average guy making average money, why would some HOT girl go for you. She would get attention from lots of people, she aint choosing you.

BUT in COL i met regular joe average(taxi driver, office workers, etc.,) that look average and make decent money(not executive) and THEY cheated, with cute/good looking chicks! Heck i've met a TAXI driver in BOG that had a thing on the side! Here's a story that said it all about cheating in COL..(i've told it before on PBH).

I was with 2 local from BOG, both were white collar professional type HAD seriously GF(nice, educated, etc.,). We went to a seedy bar near central bogota. While sitting and having a beer a girl that knew one guy came by sat on his lab and gave him a kiss. After she left, his buddy take a smoke then blows the smoke on him. I ask what for? It was to hide the smell of perfume on the suit! Because the buddy had to meet his GF in 2 hrs!! ja, ja.. The other guy told me he changes GF#2 every couple of months BEFORE they get the crazy idea that they want to be GF#1(the serious GF, that guys will marry).

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miamimike says on Jun 28, 2005, 14:25:

Cheating never accepted in my Family either-ib one did cheat and was caught the Husband usually found his Bags packed sitting on the sidewalk the next morning. No mess, no fuss, no farther need to talk. Its Over! And the wife was off to the Lawyer's Office to start the Divorce Papers.And figure out the Alimony $$$ jaja. I observed in Colombia or Mexico, Panama the punishment(for the cheater) was a Temporary thing and in a few weeks everything was a OK until the next time. Once a cheater, always a cheater. And Colombian Women do Cheat(at least in Bogota)more then once in a marriage. DOesn't seem to be any more or less as far as income level, strata, education--some may not want to admit it but they never would pass a Lie-Detector test. HaHa!

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toneloc24 says on Jun 28, 2005, 14:29:

In Bogota alone Atunes is loaded with Colombian businessmen each day from 4:00 p.m. until closing, conducting "business meetings" with business women. Call them what you want.

La Piscina is generally populated by same guys plus joined by more after 9:00 p.m. doing the same thing.

Abejitas is another "meeting place" frequented during lunchtime and after work.

These dudes are not single. VERY few gringos to be seen, much less participating in these "meetings." These are Colombian spots!!! How many others did I miss in Bogota alone? Medellin? Cali? Cartagena?

80% sounds high, but probably is correct or close-to-correct. It's the 30% for women that strikes me as low. LOL!!!

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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miamimike says on Jun 28, 2005, 14:53:

toneloc24--It's the 30% for women that strikes me as low. LOL!!! that figure strikes me as low also from what I have seen transpire in Bogota over the last 10 years.

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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caslug says on Jun 28, 2005, 15:07:

30% women is FOR MARRIED women.. Most guys are cheating w/ single women, not 80% guys cheating with 30% women. ja, ja!

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toneloc24 says on Jun 28, 2005, 15:37:

Caslug It's probably much much more than 30% of married women that cheat.

They just aren't gonna give up that info very easily. And why should they? And ruin the gravy train?

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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bondjames says on Jun 28, 2005, 15:43:

Ok,

can anyone answer this riddle. Being there are an equal amount of men to women in Colombia if most guys are cheating with single women,then do single women in Colombia have numerous boyfriends married and single? Then are single girls as likely to cheat on their boyfriends as married men?

Otherwise,it would mean the single Colombian men have a shortage of single women wanting to date them would it not? Or would Colombian women rather date a married man who can give them gifts and has good earning potential rather than a single guy with little money. Hence there are lots of poor single guys sitting home with no dates,while the married ones are dating the single girls.

Simple math.
Ex: Let's say there are 100 people.
51 women-49 men
25 women are married 26 women single
25 men are married 24 men single


7.5 married women are cheating 14.5 are not
20 married men are cheating 5 are not

So the 25 single girls will not only have 20 married men to cheat with, but also 25 single guys. 26 single women for 45 married and single men.Why are the single girls even bothering with the married men unless it is for financial gains or just like in the U.S. the women are graviting towards the men with power and do not care if they are married or not!

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utopiacowboy says on Jun 28, 2005, 15:51:

As I have always said, Lockheed, motherhood's a fact but fatherhood is a matter of opinion.

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utopiacowboy says on Jun 28, 2005, 15:55:

I agree with you, Bondjames, the math just doesn't add up. I bet that the Colombian women are shopping it around - they just aren't talking about it.

Nice cost benefit analysis there, Caslug!

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Crazy4Cali says on Jun 28, 2005, 16:01:

My completely uneducated guess is... there are a few of the single chicas and some of the married ones "giving it up" to the cheating men as well as the single guys while many of the single (and poor) men and the less-then-smoking-hot chicas stay home or hang with their friends of the same sex. And of course some of the married people could actually be at home with thier spouses. (Hey, it's possible.)

The math DOES add up when you figure not everyone is "getting some" all the time. Something that, I'm sure, happens (at least occasionally) even in Colombia.

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toneloc24 says on Jun 28, 2005, 16:01:

Bondjames Your first premise of the riddle is off-base. There are more Colombianas than Colombianos. That's a fact. Whether it's 3 women-to-1 man or 2-to-1, it's not equal.

There are many options for each Colombiano, married or single. Money does skew that ratio upward quite a bit. Honestly can't say that I blame the dudes. Talk about daily temptations.

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platano says on Jun 28, 2005, 16:37:

Infidelity is not a Colombian thing, it's a natural human trait Myths die hard.

And it's even harder to dispel a myth when it concerns sexuality. But in a new book called "The Myth of Monogamy," a husband-wife scientific team contends that monogamy among animals, and humans in particular, may be the exception rather than the rule.

David Barash, a University of Washington zoologist and professor of psychology, and Judith Lipton, a Seattle psychiatrist, said the book is intended to empower people, not to condone infidelity.

"A lot of people get upset if you talk about something like infidelity and say it is natural because then it seems good and proper," said Barash. "There are lots of things that can be natural and are truly awful, like earthquakes and AIDS. We are not saying monogamy is good or bad. But people are more empowered when they understand something. We are not sympathetic with people who philander and say, 'The devil made me do it,' or claim their behavior is genetic. People can do all kinds of natural nasty things - lie, cheat, steal and kill - but it doesn't mean those things are good."

"The Myth of Monogamy" grew out of the authors' experiences as a zoologist and a psychiatrist. Lipton said psychiatrists often get disaster calls from clients who have found that their partners have been cheating on them. Barash noted that animal behavior has been revolutionized in the past decade by DNA fingerprinting, which has revealed many species once viewed as paragons of virtue to be philanderers.

"The most frequent calls psychiatrists get in the middle of the night are from people who have discovered adultery," said Lipton. "Infidelity crises in marriage is very common, almost like a bad case of the marital flu. People who discover it are outraged, grief-stricken and angry. People who have been cheated on can sometimes be extremely violent and much of the violence in the United States can be attributed to infidelity.

"I try to tell people I deal with as a psychiatrist that adultery does not necessarily mean your spouse does not love you, that it is a character flaw or that they never cared for you. There are a lot of reasons for adultery and it takes a hell of a lot of diligence to stay monogamous."

Barash said numerous recent studies have shown that many animals and birds, such as eagles, geese, beavers and gibbons, previously believed to be faithfully monogamous aren't.

"A lot of hanky-panky is going on," he added. "There has been quite a revolution in scientific understanding of the lives of animals and we can learn a lot about ourselves by looking at other creatures."

Obtaining accurate data about human infidelity is difficult because people lie about it, according to Lipton. But she said various studies indicate it is quite common, with 50 percent of men confessing to at least one affair and 30 percent to 50 percent of women admitting that behavior.

"Being monogamous is rare. If people want to do it they have to work at it," Lipton said. "It's similar to wanting to play the violin. People can love good music and aspire to play the violin. But most find it difficult and won't practice. Monogamy, like the violin, takes practice and diligence because there are so many temptations."

The authors contend that the sexes engage in infidelity for different reasons and that evidence for monogamy in human history is sketchy. Males tend to be opportunistic and have sex out of marriage because it is available and pleasurable. For women it is a way of obtaining something better than their mate, someone who may be richer, more handsome or more powerful, they said.

While there is no historic record showing how prehistoric humans behaved - at least, not when it comes to their sex lives - Barash and Lipton point to numerous 20th Century anthropological and sociological studies of hunter-gatherer societies where monogamy is the overwhelming exception, not the rule. In the western world, they said, monogamy only ascended in the late Middle Ages and the Industrial Age. The rich and powerful gained the cooperation of the masses by trading some of their wealth to low class men, enabling them to have wives and a stake in society.

"Monogamy was a cover story for society," said Lipton. "Kings still had many wives and concubines. Powerful men did not practiced monogamy and women probably didn't either."

"What we are saying isn't different from the 10 Commandments," added Barash. "The commandments would not have said 'do not covet thy neighbor's wife,' if people didn't covet her.

"One thing we'd like to see is some of these new findings be included in a real sex-education curriculum," he said. "Right now, monogamous marriage is presented as the goal and end-point of courtship and love. That's fine, but just as it used to be taboo, to a certain extent, for people to talk about sex, it's now taboo to confront the fact that monogamy is terribly difficult. If anything, we are hoping to make monogamy easier by taking infidelity out of the closet."

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bondjames says on Jun 28, 2005, 16:55:

Tinto, You are correct!! Tinto,

You are correct!!It is remarkable that the ratio of men to women is 1:1 world over. Someone up there is doing his job:)But most men will argue that point because we all hear there is such a male shortage. I was disputing this the other day with an American woman who said there was a male shortage in the U.S. that is why she could not find a decent man. I told her otherwise. No male shortage. Look for another excuse!I don't know where that myth got started, but I have heard black men tell me there are 7 black women for every black man. I guess myths die hard. Just don't tell the women the truth.

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utopiacowboy says on Jun 28, 2005, 17:02:

Actually there is a significant imbalance in the ratio for men and women. In urban areas there are only .87 men for every woman between the ages of 25 and 34. Overall between the ages of 15 and 64, there are only .95 men for every woman. Still, there are a lot of women who are kissing but they aren't telling. Maybe those Colombian guys shouldn't brag so much - their old ladies are out putting horns on them too!

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platano says on Jun 28, 2005, 17:06:

This thread helps me understand the prevalence and... the spread of STD and AIDS.

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bondjames says on Jun 28, 2005, 17:09:

If there are overall 95 men for every woman between the ages of 15-65 and 87 men for every 100 in Urban areas there will be areas with more of an abundance since 95 is the average. I believe though there are 95 men for every 100 women from 15-65, I think the ages range of women we seek (18-40) it is much more even.I think men and women in the age ranges of 18-40 are about equal as men tend to die off quicker .

I think the Colombian ladies are way smarter at hiding infidelity than the men:)

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caslug says on Jun 28, 2005, 17:14:

do the math.. 60% of the population is poverty, lets say the following breakdown.

60% poor
10% lower middle class
20% middle class
5% upper middle class
5% filthy rich

If you are a GUY who is middle class or higher making decent money. You have pool of 70%(poor/lower middle class) women in COL want to date you, because you can show them a good time. It's easy for you to get a GF on the side, hey at least you can afford to take her to crepes & waffle for date. Instead of the poor guy who can't. Even the poor guys can cheat because they can use prostitute while guys with money can afford BOTH GF & hookers. You simply have more option as a guy in COL, add they Cultural aspect of male DOMINATED culture. Is it really that suprising married guys cheat more than married women? Married women have MORE to lose, house, income, quality of life. It's well proven that a women quality of life takes a major hit when she divorce. And that was study in US, imagine it's lot worse in 3rd world country that's male dominated.

Who said WOMEN don't cheat as much. I think single women probably cheat just as much as single guys in COL. I think if the study was talking about MARRIED men/women then the numbers seem right, BUT if they are talking about married AND single(but have GF/BF) then the numbers may be more on the women w/ BF.

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bondjames says on Jun 28, 2005, 17:20:

In other words what you are saying is the single women are the same everywhere in the world. Even though we may complain beautiful American women are materialistic and basically date men with money it is normal for women everywhere.
Single latin women will date the guy with the bucks(relative to what that means in their area)and do not really care if he is married or not. The poorer guys are not so lucky.They take what they can get.Not much different from the U.S.

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Rubiazo says on Jun 28, 2005, 20:21:

WHAT prevalence Colombia has one of the lowest HIV prevalency rates the world over, under half of that of the USA!!!

And as for 80% of the men being unfaithful and 30% of the women, a lot of those 80% of them men are probably banging the same 75,000 or so hookers!!

Elmo I'm totally in agreement with you about peeing on a girl's head. It's not sex and it's also much better than Mirta's hot oil treatment!

There's no way the ratio is even as high as 2 for 1, anywhere in the world, do you have any idea how INSANE that would be? just having .95 guys for every girl in a city the size of Bogota makes for a couple hundred thousand girls or more who would like to get married and never can!

I had a Colombian lady in CANADA once tell me that she thought there was a shortage of men there, which is a laugh because Canada is probably the world's biggest sausage-fest! Her real problem was probably that she didnt find anybody she clicked with and was real picky. I woulda gladly shut her up but I was on my way out of the country by then anyways.

I see a real difference between cheating on somebody with a professional and entering into a romantic relationship with someone on the side, for many reasons. I also think it's safer to have sex with a professional because they are on average way cleaner and safer about it. Just remember, once without a condom= 1000 times WITH one!

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rharley says on Jun 28, 2005, 20:50:

true but : but the woman 90% know the man has another and besides the woman out number the men 4 to 1 and boy are they hot. like a friend from cali said to me" here in medellin it's impossible to be faithful and thats true" on every street you go by theres at least 2 to 3 hot gorgeous ladies no lie thats why i reccomend medellin to all men

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dwmte says on Jun 28, 2005, 21:03:

platano.... i noticed the " marks in the text. was that your work?

dw

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platano says on Jun 28, 2005, 22:09:

No, dw, it wasn't my work... I ripped it off the Web. Shamelessly. Without giving the source. My bad.

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elmodefoque says on Jun 29, 2005, 05:47:

Rubiazo, finally someone willing to admit peeing on a girls head and I though I was the only real sick bastard, even started to question my own sanity, but thanks to you, I don’t feel so bad. For a while I thought that my very unusual circumstance such as racial and social (poor, Indio, corroncho and New York raised) had to do with many of my, “sick� sexual practices. Peeing on a girls head, known to us in NYC as the golden shower was very common growing up in the age of sex drugs and rock and roll, and don’t think that I was the only one doing the peeing, I had my head urinated on many times and from two girls at the same time. I still remember the warm sensation and the salty aftertaste, something like drinking warm Gatorade.
I hope no is offended by this very shocking, vile and vulgar posting, but is just one of many experiences of a Colombian corroncho gone wild in the streets of New York and it needs to be heard. Not all of us came from church going, god fearing, middle class stable families, some came from the gutter, and we are NOT talking USA gutter, we are talking Colombian gutter.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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Miguel says on Jun 29, 2005, 07:04:

All my life... I have wondered why I didn't like Gatorade.

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toneloc24 says on Jun 29, 2005, 07:15:

Elmo - you really are a sick bastard. Need to start referring to you as Elmo 'R.Kelly' modefuque!!!

LOL!!!

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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elmodefoque says on Jun 29, 2005, 07:34:

come on guys, like you never pee on a grils head before, tell me another one. jijijiji

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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flaleo says on Jun 29, 2005, 08:03:

It's 1:1! C'mon - countries with 2:1 or 3:1 or 4:1 or a greater ration for men:women or women:men??

As someone stated, it's pretty constant the world over - it's about 1:1 in every country. Go look at the CIA statistics gathered for each country, http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html. Which country is over 1.25:1?

Maybe 1.1:1 is the greatest variance. Understand basic anthropology principles. Male:female population ratio variance doesn't happen, or populations die.

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gringolondinense says on Jun 29, 2005, 08:10:

I can honestly say I have never peed on a girls head. Have thought about it though but I dont think it would do a lot for me :-). How on earth would you get into that kind of situation in the first place?..."Hi..would you mind if I pee on your head?' :-)

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utopiacowboy says on Jun 29, 2005, 08:45:

You crack me up, Elmo! Nothing is off limits for you, dude. Yeah, I bet a lot of people do it but nobody has the cajones to fess up.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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bondjames says on Jun 29, 2005, 09:12:

Flaleo,

You can put all sorts of statistical evidence down that the ratio of men to women everwhere (especially 18-40) is 1:1 and noone will want to believe it. Noone wants to believe woman cheat almost as much as men so the excuse must be men cheat cause there are 3 or 4 women to every man. So much temptation.. That myth has been around for too long.Besides it benefits us guys and keeps women on their toes.

I see it is also universal that women everywhere want the same top 20% of men who are successful or good looking. Therefore a great percentage of these beautiful women are willing to settle for a married "Alpha male" rather than date the available "poorer" or "uglier" men.That must be the reason married men are able to cheat with so many single females. From what I hear, some of these married men have 2,3,4 women on the side. Where the hell are all of these women coming from? If there are an equal number of male/female ratio it seems some guys are getting an abundance of women,while others are not. Unless the women are also dating numerous men.

But women are portrayed as innocents who would never do such a thing,so therefore the reason must be there is an over abundance which just is not true.Women are just way better and sneakier at doing things. For example while most men have ethics and will not sleep with his best friends wife or girlfriends. I have heard women say they would never trust ANY of their friends around their husbands alone. Why is that? Probably cause they are much more aware thanmen of a woman's true nature.

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toneloc24 says on Jun 29, 2005, 09:22:

OK - I admit that I pulled that 3-to-1, 2-to-1 ratio out of my ass. Let it go already.

However, when you walk around, and see mostly women, it damn sure feels like it...until you go to some houses of leisure, and that's where the dudes will be. Sure enough.

"Don't tase me, bro!!!!"

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elmodefoque says on Jun 29, 2005, 09:42:

Guys, this peeing thing has to do with the ultimate conquest and is mostly done under the influence of great amount of alcohol and drugs. Is like you given her everything you got and the only thing left is to pee on her head. I always wanted to do it to J-Lo and Sofia Vergara, I don't think Shakira is the type that would let me pee all over her.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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utopiacowboy says on Jun 29, 2005, 12:54:

So you think J-Lo and Sofia would let you but Shakira wouldn't? OK, who'd give you El Chiquito? I'd rather get the Chiquito than take a whiz on some chick's head. Maybe I'd piss on her if she didn't give it up.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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lpdiver says on Jun 29, 2005, 16:18:

Elmo and cowboy My favorite pastime in Aruba was asking the Colombianas would you...insert your favorite kinky or sick fantasy. More times than not the answer was...and why not. I did not follow up on all of them, as I got pretty extreme just to try and stretch the envelope. I soon learned that the envelope was far larger than needed for this coonass.

Tony

"cook some rice!"

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utopiacowboy says on Jun 29, 2005, 17:12:

Damm, Tony, so they were willing to do things that you'd draw the line at. I must admit that I can suggest just about anything to my wife and she goes along with it happily. Of course I stick to things that I actually want to do. Those Colombianas, you gotta love 'em.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Rubiazo says on Jun 29, 2005, 20:39:

hahaha someone beat me to it I was just gonna say I know MINE doesnt taste like 'warm gatorade' because I drink too much coffee and eat too much raw meat for that!!
Golden showers are really just the tip of the iceberg as far as kinky sex goes anyways. Modefoque, I'd be disappointed if you were to tell me you didn't already have your red wings many times over, for example.

lpdiver, what was the nastiest thing someone was willing to do for you? Don't just tease us with that intro.

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utopiacowboy says on Jun 29, 2005, 21:38:

That Tony, he's teasing us like he was teasing them. WTF are red wings?

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Crazy4Cali says on Jun 29, 2005, 22:18:

If you have to ask.... ...you probably don't want to know...

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gringolondinense says on Jun 30, 2005, 02:54:

red wings were described by Hunter S Thompson in his book. It shocked me actually. You can get Brown wings too. The wings were awarded to the angels that did certain things to women. To get the red wings, you have to do something at a certain time of the month. Nuff said!! :-)

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elmodefoque says on Jun 30, 2005, 05:36:

YOU GUYS ARE FREAKING SICK!!!!!all these nasty, vile talk it turns my stomach.
yes, i got my red wings many times, but i be damn if any broad out there is gonna make me get my brown wings, maybe with j-lo, but only her.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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rona says on Jun 30, 2005, 06:08:

brown wings?????!!!!! holy s#*t! - pun intended - WTF!!! - WHO would get off on that! I'll be the first to say red wings? yeah, been there done that but goddaaaamn!!!! . . . . p2000 - Hunter S. Thompson is the shit (no pun intended) - I think we should nominate ELMO our PBH gonzo journalist

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elmodefoque says on Jun 30, 2005, 06:19:

UC- I just don't think shakira is gonna let anyone pee on her head; she's just too damn smart, deep, serious and very romantic. Shit, she’s still dating that two bit, insignificant, broke ass third world noviesito of hers and I’m sure that modefoque is not gonna ask her either. Shakira is the ultimate middle class Colombiana, they all grow up with great romantic notions, they all dream about the Argentinean in a white horse , el principle argentino, a gringo would be better of course but argentine will do. For a black modefoque like me to bang a broad like Shakira is almost beyond imagination and to pee on her too, is ludicrous. J-Lo is a first world, wild and crazy Bronx mamasita that will do anything and she doesn’t give a crap if you’re black, she wanted to marry my boy Puffy. Sofia, quickly embraced the American culture and I won’t be surprised if Puffy pee on her beautiful head already. I bet she’s down for anything in bed.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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gringolondinense says on Jun 30, 2005, 06:32:

ahhaahah! Actually, the idea of peeing on Shakira is now lodged firmly in my brain!! hum...I can just see her begging me to do it :-). hahahh! In reality though Ive got a 0.00001% chance that she would go with that idea even if I am a gringo. Shame. But shes one hell of a chick thats for sure. Shes got great hips and the way they move is just amazing!! J-Lo doesnt do a lot for me. As for her ass, shes just fat and needs to go on a diet. That song 'Block Party' or whatever was just so crap.

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lockheed says on Jun 30, 2005, 08:50:

SOFIA VERGARA I hope she cheats with me.
I wanna find shelter in SOFIA's boobs, when I think Sofia Vergara I can't help saying HO, then think about LA P... RUSA, then I think about me being a DOG and her being the BITCH in her 8th day of heat and then nature takes over, and finaly I get to that CHIQUITO issue.
OOPS sorry guys I just knocked my keyboard over.

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utopiacowboy says on Jun 30, 2005, 09:45:

Great thread! Good thing Desi's not here to dump on us (piss on us?) for such talk. I'm a red wing veteran, man. Hell, I'll even go down on a woman then - you got to be careful and try to stay north, if you know what I mean.

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caslug says on Jun 30, 2005, 09:54:

Advice for Redwing action.. Remember to put a towel underneath your women or use a hotel room, even then remember the towel!

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Colombiche says on Jun 30, 2005, 10:02:

People Everywhere.... Cheat. Because it is human nature. Many scientific studies have indicated that down to the cellular level human beings are not programmed to be faithful to one partner.

Did you know that the male sperm is actually designed as to fend off the sperm of other males? It is amazing. I was watching this special on TLC the other night, and they actually had filmed this happening inside a woman's uterus. I was in awe.

Cheating is not exclusive to any culture. Some cultures might be more accepting of it, or simply sweep it under the rug, but everybody cheats. I bet if we were to do a survey and everybody at PBH was to answer honestly whether they had every cheated on a partner... well, you guys tell me what you think would happen.


Colombians did not invent cheating. The Spaniards that invaded Colombia did not invent cheating. Hell, the Moors that invaded southern spain didn't invent cheating either. It goes as far back as when we were hairy primates.


The oldest profession on earth is prostitution. Why has it always been so profitable? Because there has always been demand for sex without compromiso!

AT the genetic level, we are all programmed to procreate, to create offspring.

Of course, humans being rational beings with an emotional component, we have to learn to fight these "temptations of the flesh".

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Jun 30, 2005, 10:17:

What the hell? What is all this talk of red wings and peeing on womens heads? Okay, I am an open minded girl, far from being a prude as you can see by my previous post.... but that is disgusting. Sick. To me that peeing stuff seems like the ultimate humiliation, lack of respect. Anti hygenic. Foul. I think the body is a temple and don't anybody dare disrespect it like that.

I better get out of this thread, I just ate and I am starting to feel very queasy. Should have known better than to eat while I am reading a thread about infidelity, starring Elmo, UC and Rubiazo.

Chao!

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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Colombiche says on Jun 30, 2005, 10:21:

Funny that I had mentioned Hairy primates just before reading the posts above mine.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

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elmodefoque says on Jun 30, 2005, 10:34:

UC- I know exactly what you’re talking about, during that time of the month, to avoid getting my red wings, I also stay up north, working that little bump, but sometimes they get so excited , next thing I know my head is violently and against my will, shoved just south, and I come out wearing my red wings anyway.
Colombiche, come on; don’t act like you never forced some poor guy to get his red wings.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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caslug says on Jun 30, 2005, 11:32:

COLB..why would you be suprise that.. this kinda of talk by GUYS? Especially Americans. DOn't you watch american children movies, Male Comedy or family movies? They ALWAYS use bathroom humor as jokes, we learn it from a very young age. Austin Power(fat lizard), any children movie you'll see kids laugh at potty jokes, farting, etc., remember "something about Mary", Meet the Parents or any farrelly brother or Ben stiller comedies. Americans sometimes have a VERY crude bathroom/locker room sense of humor, we laugh at everything. For americans lot of that stuff is just joke, it's water of a duck's back. ELMO is the master of this on the board.

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Rubiazo says on Jun 30, 2005, 21:42:

OK OK OK First off, Canadians are more perverted than Americans, and I have proof of that on audio AND video tape if you're interested, plus I have live witnesses, some of whom are Colombianas! Mike Meyers (Austin Powers) IS from Toronto BTW and FYI!

However in my own experience the women MOST willing to do freaky shit are Latinas, PR mamis, Brazilians, Colombians, Venezuelans (BUT NOT DOMINICANAS!!!)

And for the record, SOME of you guys are misinterpreting the wings thing. It has to be ORAL or it doesn't count. Sorry if I just took this to the next level. :P If it were just having sex with a girl on her period I'm sure half or more of the planet would be in the club. Where is the exclusivity in that??

AND for the record, urine is STERILE in a healthy person, and ON a healthy person too!! As a matter of fact, if you were stranded in the wilderness somewhere you would never survive without saving your chichi and drinking it to get the vitamins and minerals your body missed the first time around. Not to mention it is a natural detoxifier and antidote for many things, as well as an excellent disinfectant. There's no peroxide in the wilderness either, only chichi!!

I don't know if Biche is still reading this thread but ALSO ALSO for the record, yes, it does sound pretty prudish to me.

Nothing wrong with J-lo's ass IMO, her face is kinda plain-looking though. I do hope she never sits on Marc Anthony's face though as the poor bastard doesnt look healthy enough to survive such treatment. I'd hate for him to die a long slow lingering death from a broken face much like Hector Lavoe did, but from being crushed instead of a fall!

Shakira is much too skinny for me.

I'm also still waiting for lpdiver to come clean with some dirty details; he's been strangely silent in this thread. I would appreciate hard evidence as well in mpg wmv or avi format. Hell even quicktime would be OK!

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gringolondinense says on Jul 1, 2005, 00:40:

Urine therapy Actually, Urine therapy is becoming more and more publicized by a French guy..cant remember the name. He recommends that everyone should drink a pint of fresh urine first thing in the morning everyday. It it isnt FIRST THING dont bother - you wont get the benefits. Urine will even help clear up skin rashes etc...but it must be ur own peepee...not shakira's.

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miamimike says on Jul 1, 2005, 00:56:

A Few Drops of Sterile Urine is a Good Cure for Ear Infections also due its Acidic Makeup(ph). Old Black Midwives throughout the Southern US have used this cure for decades. Elmo, Don't get carried away on this one-only a few drops(gotas) not the whole load please!jejejeje

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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quindioman says on Jul 1, 2005, 01:32:

from colombian infidelity to urine therapy via Golden showers.....where have I been all this time?
yeas a lot of colombians cheat....but at least they have a plausible excuse....what with all those fine looking mamis.
never peed on a girl although my mate fito did unleash on a poor mema's face that was going around giving shout outs on our microphones...i felt bad enough when we did our own rendition of brown girl in the ring when the ring in question was 6 colombians with their chimbos out...i felt even worse for poor machetazo who never got his microphone checked because fito mistook the poor girl's face for a lavatory seat.
I wouldn't mind if my tolimensa mistook me for a toilet seat though....she can feel free to let go any time.....if brown wing is copperphilia (if that's how you spell it) then leave me out of it....i downloaded some porn last year thinking it was some top carpet munchers scene...when the two chicks started on the old water sports i should have known what was coming....i do draw the line there personally.....conversely what colour wings would necrophilia be?
Oh and these guys are right colombiche piss is meant to be one of these wonder cure for alls.
I saw some extreme detox programme here in UK and feel like taking my detox a step further...I need to go back to Thailand to quit drugs for good....

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elmodefoque says on Jul 1, 2005, 09:20:

Please don’t get the idea that I’m some weird sick demented f—k. This might gross out many, but to be honest, if j-lo or shakira called me one day and ask if they could take a dump on my face, just to see them naked inches from me, I’ll say YEAH!!!
I wanted to add that I feel great honor to be in the company of other sexual deviant as you guys. For those with high morals you’ll be relieve to know that I’m off for a long weekend and won’t see my disgusting postings for a while. Before I go I wanna wish you crazy gringo bastards a very happy independence day, if anyone has a reason to celebrate and be proud is you guys, you are the richest most powerful and dangerous modefoques in the planet and I’m glad I’m on you side, would not wanna be the recipient of a 20 thousand pound bomb on my head. One last thing, last weekend I was watching the Yankee game on TV, the stadium is just across the river, 5 minutes by car, in the Bronx. I was sitting in my little ghetto living room with cheap IKEA furniture happily checking the game, playing with my extra long right nut and downing a Budweiser when I hear this incredible super loud noise, the sound of engine roar, and the building started to shake and it felt like the window were about to burst, so was my heart, it turned out to be four F-14, flying overhead at top speed coming from making a dive over Yankee stadium. I’ve seen this a few times already but it something you never get use to, you feel completely helpless and all there is to do is simply kiss your ass goodbye. It just a little sample of the incredible gringo military might and I pity the unlucky modefoques that hears that noise and soon after, a freaking explosion.
How the hell do I go from peeing on shakira to F-14 and bombs, I need a drink real bad! I’m out.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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clarita says on Jul 1, 2005, 10:38:

MOde, YOU ARE REALLY DISGUSTING! UAK!



CLARITA

CLARITA

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utopiacowboy says on Jul 1, 2005, 18:00:

I know how he feels. There is one hot Asian chick at work. For some reason every time I see her, I think that the next time she takes a piss, I'd like to clean her up with my tongue. There's something about her that just makes you want to degrade yourself.

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quindioman says on Jul 3, 2005, 13:22:

lmao uc.....when we were no good sonamanbiches in Armenia, me and my amigos would stay up on the terrace of my dad's house...the reason was because there were a couple of nice cuyabras that would do their sunbathing naked and give us a nice "ginda".
There was a nice homely girl that lived two doors away from my dad...her name was Carolina and she was an angel.....Faber (my friend) would always say "uy parce yo a esa Carolina me le comeria hasta un bollito en ayunas"....i'm not even gonna begin to translate that.....

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