Are Colombians concerned about 2012?

suipacha says on Apr 20, 2005, 06:03:

Not just the Mayan Calendars..

http://www.levity.com/eschaton/waveexplain.html

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juan_alzate says on Apr 20, 2005, 09:52:

We will drink aguardiente and dance vallenatos on the 31st of December of 2012, and we will have a hell of hangover on January 1st. 2013.

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lpdiver says on Apr 20, 2005, 09:54:

juan That is true every new years...no?

T

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platano says on Apr 20, 2005, 09:55:

Los pastusos will do the same..... With the difference that when they look at the bottom of the bottle they will read the message: open other end.

plátano

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rash9000 says on Apr 20, 2005, 09:55:

what does Colombia has to do with the MAya Culture?????
help me out here..

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 20, 2005, 09:56:

Well, According to the Book the Bible Code the next holocaust is in 2006!

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lpdiver says on Apr 20, 2005, 09:58:

Kat From your post I would gather there has already been a holocaust? When was it?

T

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 20, 2005, 10:01:

What? Where? did I miss something.. Damn ;-)

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lpdiver says on Apr 20, 2005, 10:03:

Kat... your words..."the next holocaust"...this indicates a previous holocaust, no?

t

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platano says on Apr 20, 2005, 10:04:

Rash9000, It depends on what happens in 2012. If Colombia as a country ends then there may be some concern about Colombians. Read the forum topic again. It is about Colombians, not Mayans.

Are Colombians tuned into 2012?
Do Colombians respect the Mayan prophecies?
What do Colombians think will happen in 2012?



Plátano X

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juan_alzate says on Apr 20, 2005, 10:06:

of course... January 1st is so boring... who wants to be sobber that day? even if there's an apocalypse... :p

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Apr 20, 2005, 10:07:

Ok the "the end of days" be scare be very scare..the bible code warned that the impact would be global.

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lpdiver says on Apr 20, 2005, 10:08:

good one mario If you count that one then the one in 1755 in Nova Scotia qualifies also...no?

T

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platano says on Apr 20, 2005, 10:30:

What I understood is.... A radical change in 2012.

Might be a positive change, a radical change of human consciousness that ushers in a era of true peace.

Plátano X, dreaming again

plátano

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lpdiver says on Apr 20, 2005, 11:36:

so then I will move to Colombia.

t

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platano says on Apr 20, 2005, 13:21:

GIB, I agree with you that some brutal economic changes are on the horizon. World has reached "peak oil" and as oil production declines the countries more dependent on oil will have a rough time. Colombia will be better off than USA for example. Not to mention that Colombia does not have a group of people like Al Qaeda out to launch a nuclear attack on it. This is a definite advantage for Colombia.

I am an optimist when it comes to how humanity will confront the situation. Someday people will decide cooperation is better than conflict and peace will come to Colombia and the rest of the world.

Plátano X,
Platano,
Plátano
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platano says on Apr 20, 2005, 20:45:

GIB, I just hope Colombia doesn't get into a lopsided trade imbalance with China or allow China to finance Colombia's national debt. I certainly hope Walmart does not arrive in Colombia. Colombia needs to maintain its economic independence and not allow itself to come under Chinese political influence. You are in a very good position in Bogora.

Plátano X, banana expert on sino-colombian relations

plátano

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lpdiver says on Apr 21, 2005, 03:44:

The world is not dependant on petroleum in the long run. we simply have the infrastructure in place to utilize it at this time. When the cost displaces petroleum alternatives will pop up and become utile. There is no shortage of petroleum. There is however a shortage of refineries and noone is ready to invest half a billion dollars to build one.

Me, personally I will buy a used diesel vehicle and make my own enviromentally friendly biodiesel from the waste hog fat from my chicharonnes factory. JeJeJe

t

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juanalejo says on Apr 21, 2005, 07:04:

Sugar Do not forget we will be using a percentage of sugar fuel next year, with years we can develop a higher dependance on sugar fuel like Brazil does.

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lpdiver says on Apr 21, 2005, 07:07:

maybe But I cannot convert sugar into an enviromentally friendly fuel in my backyard in a matter of a few hours.

T

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miamimike says on Apr 21, 2005, 09:37:

Don't forget WVO for your Diesel Waste Vegtable Oil can be used after Filtering 3 times and the conversion for your diesel is relatively inexpensive($200 if you make the system yourself) and no shortage of WVO in Colombia.Brazil has really moved ahead of the US with Alternative fuels in the last 2 years.

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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lpdiver says on Apr 21, 2005, 09:45:

Exactly what I was refering to Mike. Biodiesel. I just thought it would be neat to combine a chincharrones factory and use all the product. And yes I know pig fat is not WVO! But, it works just as well. I can just ablut meet my annual fuel needs here in cajun land just from the waste peanut oil from frying turkeys during the holiday season.

Tony

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Sliver says on May 5, 2005, 06:28:

huh? There's a lil' more to this... Well, first off: Not only the Bible Code and the Mayan Calendar see 2012 as the final date (of all dates, by the way...), but also ancient Chinese religion points out that in 2012, something BIG happens... what exactly, no one knows... but these are the scenarios that are plausible so far (and trust me, that stuff is plausible... I spend about 4 years now researching that stuff, and so far no one could disprove any of that stuff... see for yourself).

- The Aliens! Yep, that's what the mayans thought: That in 2012, the extraterrestials return that were already once here (if you believe the mayans and Erich von Däniken, which I do not... completely:)
- Extra-terrestial radiation: The most plausible one if ya ask me... every 26'000 years (and that's a fact from sience, not folklore), extra-terrestial radiation increases to a maximum level and accelerates (!!!) intellectual and physical evolution. That's what could also happen according to the "Time Wave Zero" theory, based on Chinese divinatory systems.
- World War how-many-did-we-already-have: Yep, always a possibility... yet, a war is a war and every war passes... also, don't believe that bullshit "we could nuke the planet this-and-this many times"... hell yeah you could, but could you nuke EVERY INCH and every living being? No way... something would survive and it would never be the "End of the World"... only "...as we know it", I guess...
- and the last & my favourite: The Meta-being, of which we all are part of (at least science just starts to aknowledge that there is in fact a thing such as a "collective sub-concious" of all living beings), finally awakens and starts to "act" (whatever that could be)... however, scientists believe that we may never be able to comprehend such a "being", like our body cells cannot recognise us as their "collective being". So we could only guess what would happen then...

... and of course there are about 10'000 other scenarios, but I guess it definitely will be a combo of several ones... how about the "Yellowstone Volcano"? If it errupts, you can just "write off" the US as well as Canada... and the world economy (which is, stupidly, based to a large part on american money).

Oh yeah, about that real stupid comment, in my oppinion:
"When the economy of the US goes in the toilet and they are no longer able to keep the world Peace and Russia and China join up to rule the world you will miss these days. Russia and China have been conducting joint exercises testing a plan to invade Taiwan, do you really think utopia is coming... jaja The US has kept the Peace for you for so long you know nothing else. I predict you will miss it in your life time."
by Mr. gringoinbogota. Well, I can say something about that: Which peace, please? The US has started more wars than any other country in the last 3 years, so please tell me AGAIN that that country is "upholding" peace? And what about the Irak? Now, they have about 5 times as many terrorist attacks as before the US-invasion (just read the paper, instead of rolling 'em!).
So in my oppinion, there is no greater THREAT than the US, because their keeping the tempers up, the weapons drawn and the gunpowder smoking all around the globe... do you really think that the muslim world would be so upset if the US is just on "a quest for freedom"? please, don't insult us!
Oh yeah, and I almost forgot to thank you on the behalf of all those dead spanish people from the madrid bombing: The americans are great at starting wars, but look who has to face the consequences! So don't talk to anybody about "keeping peace", that's definitely NOT what the US is doing and they are also responsible for what is going to happen in 2012!

But after all: "Peace sells... but who's buying"? Hope I could clear some of the confusion up... and yeah: The columbians don't have any special part in 2012, it's gonna affect everybody...
cya 'round!

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Sliver says on May 5, 2005, 06:32:

and about that taiwan plan... ... and so what if the Russians and Chinese tried/planned to invade Taiwan? Even though that may be an evil plan, we might one day find out that their rule (at least Chinas) would end if they would not resort to violence that often (remember Tien an men? Same thing, Mao would have to leave office if he hadn't used violence).
But what about Iraq, Afghanistan, and what comes next? Is that something the US HAD to do or WANTED to do... I guess you could answer that yourself. And what about the puppet government in Panama? What about Chile, what about Cuba, hmm? I hope you get the point now...

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platano says on May 5, 2005, 06:34:

2012 is when India becomes a Superpower... here's why.... Sources in the Government and UFO researchers opine like
America, India is on the verge of gaining military and
civilian technologies from extraterrestrial visitors!
Another major superpower?
Sumit Chatterjee, Special Correspondent
October 13, 2004

According to some UFO researchers and think-tanks all over
the world, India's recent experiences with countless UFO
near the Himalayas are significant. India is one of the
nations in the world with largest number of technocrats and
education is regarded as one of the major pride in every
Indian family. According some inner circles in the
Government and the defense establishments, India is on the
verge of gaining technologies for civilian and military
purposes from the extra-terrestrial cultures. Some strongly
feel India and America are the two champions of free speech
and democracy. And that is why they may have chosen India to
lead the world to the order of the Universe. According to
many the order of the Universe is to live peacefully, share
knowledge and be spiritually elevated. And India is just
ready to lead the world towards that. Which other nation can
gain futuristic technologies and not gobble up the world?

India's Air Force, Navy and Army will gain immensely from
these technologies. The main theme of these technologies is
anti-gravity driven vehicles and spatial motion control in
3D. Some say America thirty years back was offered vehicles
and spacecraft that ran based on anti-gravity. America's
biggest secret research is on that. The Stealth technology
that makes a flying vehicle invisible to radar or similar
electronic eyes is also from the extra-terrestrial know how,
researchers say.

India may gain immensely from these technologies and become
a super power. Indian technocrats and dedicated military
personnel will be able to harness these technologies and
bring peace to the world. India is probably the only country
that spiritually inclined. That makes a big difference.
Those who have a close encounter with extra-terrestrial
being say they are spiritually elevated and the energy
levels are very high from those beings. It is also said that
final frontier of science and technology will come from
integration of human spirituality and modern science and
technologies.

India is also learning about the order of Universe - the
common courtesy and the law of the Universe. Some say year
2012 is when they will land on earth. And for that matter
India is one of the chosen countries for pilot projects.

Platano, estudiante del Manual de Urbanidad y Buenas Maneras por Manuel Antonio Carreño
Oxigeno Verde
Foto de Platanito chinito

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N2Aquatix says on May 5, 2005, 06:43:

H2 Hey Tony, I didn't know you were from Louisiana. Wassup cuz??? I still think H2 is probably the most environmentally safe fuel and relatively easy to manufacture, but at any rate, I'd have to agree that kicking the petroleum habit is the best thing that could ever happen to this society and the planet.

Jay

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lpdiver says on May 5, 2005, 09:56:

yeah I am one of those no good coonasses that was evicted from Canada in 1755.

T

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lpdiver says on May 5, 2005, 10:10:

I make my roux the old fashioned way in the microwave...jejejeje

T

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N2Aquatix says on May 5, 2005, 10:20:

I see Ahhh......I see. I'm from Biloxi, but now I live in Alabama. I'm about ready to move back to the coast where the action is!!!

Jay

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lpdiver says on May 5, 2005, 10:22:

Ahhhh So you are bound for the Redneck Rivera?

Tony

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N2Aquatix says on May 5, 2005, 10:40:

Yep!!! Swimming pools and tire swings! ;)

Jay

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N2Aquatix says on May 5, 2005, 11:43:

Casinos Yes, I've spent so much time in casinos that they really don't hold my interest anymore. It will be interesting however to see what my novia thinks of them. I can usually get them to comp me a room just for visiting. I can of course absolutely kill them on free drinks just by sitting at the video bar for a couple of hours. There is a good possibility that my girl won't find it interesting at all. She's very practical and might view it as a colossal waste of time and money. I guess we'll have to see. ;)

Jay

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Lionheart says on May 5, 2005, 16:17:

the green stuff are you sure you are using File (sassafrass) on your Gumbo? Not something else green ground up?

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platano says on May 5, 2005, 16:48:

According to Finance Minister Alberto Carrasquilla... it is still safe to trade Colombia's benchmark dollar-bond (which by the way is yielding 8.5 percent) since the bond is due in January 2012.

plátano

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platano says on May 5, 2005, 18:45:

It is not the end of the world, it is the end of the calendar... And some interpret it as the end of a process of acceleration of evolving consciousness until 2012, when we will transform into peaceful beings. What this means on a practical day-to-day level is that the FARC and AUC and FAC will all be working together toward improving the paradise that Colombia is. "La pobreza absoluta" will be no more. There will be an ecological consciousness that will preserve Colombia as a paradise for generations to come.

They might decide not to spend it. They might decide to share it!

:)

plátano

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platano says on May 5, 2005, 18:55:

Well, Mario, if it's important to you... you can be right, too! You are correct. Most people interpret it as the end of the world. My interpretation is a minority view.

See, you were right! That was easy!

plátano

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platano says on May 5, 2005, 19:17:

Mario, do you feel the same "It's all bullshit anyway" about... other mythical events, like virgin births, coming back from the dead, changing water into wine, etc.

How about historical events? Cause and effect are uncertain with so many variables, so debating the consequences of historical events (like the assassination of Gaitan and the Bogotazo) must be bullshit, too?

So, debating the future (2012) and debating the past is all bullshit anyway.

How about the present? Are things as they appear? Or is that senseless to debate, too?

Yet this board is full of observations, questions, answers about Colombia. Is it all bullshit, Mario? What is not bullshit? I need to know so I don't waste any time on it and can direct myself to non-bullshit discussion.

plátano

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spigrimace says on May 10, 2005, 20:30:

I usually don´t believe in these things but.. After being in Tikal, Guatamala and seeing how advanced that culture was and seeing literally the writing on the wall that 2012 will be the end of the world really didn´t bother me, but then some mathemeticians found almost indesputable statistically, the code of the tora, and it also says that 2012 is the end of the world. That freaks me out a bit and makes me nervous.

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foxylady says on May 11, 2005, 07:37:

NO ONE REALLY KNOWS! You guys come on! 2012 or 5698 why torture our selfs? we are all going to die one day anyway and who says any of us will make it to 2012? Live day by day,God will take care of the rest!

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Sliver says on May 12, 2005, 02:16:

A little strange... ...why should no one know, foxylady? Actually, we DO know (that's why we're telling... aren't we?)! And it's people going "uh, let's just have faith in god, sit back, enjoy life and do like we did year after year after..." you see where you're going with that f*ç?ìng attitude? If you don't try to make a difference, no one will (because most our ancestors just where the same "let's put our feet up and have a nice one! We can't change anything, it's always been like this, blablabla" and that's why we're in this mess in the first place!).
Oh yeah, just to comment your argument "we might not even make it to 2012": Well, since I KNOW that something COULD happen, I CAN in fact see to it that I live to that day...
Dude, it makes me sick, those people that think they can change nothing and thus do nothing (ever thought about you being "part of the problem"?). Fact is, mankind shaped this world for 10'000 years now and you tell me that we can't do nothing? Well, that's the oppinion of someone that has given up already or is only intrested what he can hold in his hands or stuff in his pocket.
No, tell you this; You can and do make a difference, on what small scale however, but it IS a difference (no preaching here). And god or religion won't help you with this since this is NOT the "next-best prophecy" from the "next-best madman", it's scientists, people with Nobel Prices, people that spend almost an entire life on that matter! Not some religious freak who sees this as an opportunity to make money or gain influence, as I already wrote (okay, there'll surely be the random preacher who picks up on this and tries to shape it to his advantage, but you can work against these people by simply spreading the knowledge! If everybody knows about it, then no one can claim an "absolute truth" for himself to enslave others with this "knowledge", as it was and is the case with any religion). At least I ain't seeing no dollar out of it...
You should be able to smell the bacon when it's cooking. You've got the unique chance of knowing what's coming (or at least a very good "maybe" chance, since there are several possibilities for 2012), and I for one do not intend to let this pass me by!
Also, don't make the mistake and believe that this world is "final". Countries can crumble to pieces, governments can be overthrown and natural desasters can shape the world around us (look up "Yellowstone Volcano" at google, for example... you'll see...). We always think, there'll be a China, a Russia, a USA or a Colombia for ever, but could well turn out to be wrong (colombian people sure must have a better idea about how it feels when your world is turned upside down from one day to the next).
And about "God will take care of the rest": Well, even in the bible it says, to have the religous side included as well, that you cannot just sit down and wait in the grass for food to fall out of the trees. It says that you have to work hard (even sweat!) for food and clothing, so I guess God would be the last one to tell you "just sit down and let me do what I do best" or what (that's actually a question, would be intrested to see whatcha all thinking about that).
Sorry guys if I sound a little "preachy" here, but I think this is REALLY a big, serious event (and I, for one, do NOT believe every armaggedon-scenario I hear, so don't think I'm judging this lightly)... as written before, I spend over 4 years thinking about this and collecting facts... or what I believe to be facts, you never know... but so far, I have not come across even ONE COUNTERPROOF that was based on science! In fact, in case of the bible code, it is, without any mathemathical doubt, proven that it's real and that the system does not work in any other book except! Same goes for "Time Wave 0" or "Time Wave 1"; Hasn't been disproven, in fact it is getting updated! And I guess I don't have to tell you about the Mayan calendar (which is, in fact, the weakest hint so far since it only gives you a date).
So much for "just ignoring" these facts. I hope we can bring some people to REALLY think about this and what we could do to better things until 2012... because in my oppinion, nothing is ever "fixed" and we can shape the future that's coming, even change it completely... so either you're the one who's shaping, or you'll be shaped.

Cya 'round!

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foxylady says on May 12, 2005, 10:17:

keep your shirt on SLIVER! Listen DUDE! You need to calm the F**** down! OK? Even if the hole world knew the day and time of the end of the our existence it would not make any difference! it's going to happen anyway! It's not like I don't care, I just choose to leave my life in peace and harmony ! are you currently seeing a shrink? you should stop being soooo intense! Regarding my F-ing attitude! buddy take a valum! you're the one with the ATTITUDE! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEELAXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX! OK?

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elmodefoque says on May 12, 2005, 10:24:

Mi amor if your calm and at p Mi amor if you're calm and at peace now, I hate to see you upset, shit, I’ll run for the hills.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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Lionheart says on May 12, 2005, 13:05:

And answer to all questions is ... 42

Let's meet at the restaurant at the end of the universe and have beer and aguadiente while we watch all go down.

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Sliver says on May 20, 2005, 01:55:

Relax? Strange... ...that that's comming from you foxylady... getting a little worked up?
I mean, if somebody's like "Listen DUDE! You need to calm the F**** down!", I kinda don't seem to me that you're all that "cool" :)
And also: "Even if the hole world knew the day and time of the end of the our existence it would not make any difference! it's going to happen anyway!" - Damn, you're pretty fatalist here, or am I wrong? No, just to make that clear: I ain't the one running around and screeming "It's gonna happen anyway, Aaah, we can't do sh?ç about it!"... naw, that's gotta be you.
But anyway, next time: You only have to move your pinky about 1 inch to NOT sound like an idiot when you're writing things like "REEEEELAAAAAX"... IT'S THE DISTANCE TO REACH CAPS LOCK...
Oh yeah, by the way, if you get so worked up about a comment in a forum (and kinda don't sound THAT RELAXED and that you're living your "life in peace and harmony"): Don't f'?`%çng read them, goddammit! How many posts do you have me bit?`*ng about something except this one? Yep, that's right: ZERO.
But don't worry, just to not have you skipping on the Valium yourself, I'ma stop my writing here (nobody seems to post here anyway... at least not something "useful" or that is even related to the topic) and leave you to your peaceful life. Enjoy!

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