Are all Colombian people wonderful. Are all colombiam women angels

Hunter says on Jan 10, 2005, 08:15:

londonmale I quit London in 2001 to live in Colombia, where are you thinking on living in Colombia.

Hunter

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YEP says on Jan 10, 2005, 08:37:

Just find "GringoInBogota" and you're all set for some
serious discussions on security in Colombia ;-)


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oldbongo says on Jan 10, 2005, 08:38:

i think is known as... ... the latina temperment.

mi commandante has warned me in advance,...
and then shown me,with no warning, the
capacity to EXPLODE over the smallest thing.
so...i watch out for small things..

repressed aggresion rings true like a bell.

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madminx69 says on Jan 10, 2005, 10:11:

Are all colombian people wonderful This is for Londonmale, my fiance and i have spent the last two months travelling around colombia, and are cutting our trip short by a month and a half. Yes i think people do tend to romanticise about colombian people, they are not all that everyone cracks them up to be. Neither my partner nor i are judgemental, we are very patient people and have travelled to all sorts of places around the world and we have found that colombians are the most unwelcoming. In our experience they have been very rude, unhelpful and if you look at the state of the country over the years, the attitude of the people is a good reflection of this.

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stevens says on Jan 10, 2005, 10:58:

Madminx Hi, I'm coming to Colombia soon for a vacation and was wondering what kinds of situations you found most unpleasant. Did you do much dancing or diving? General sightseeing? Hanging on the beach? Thanks, Steve

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nanis says on Jan 10, 2005, 11:30:

ok i have to comment on this! the latino temper is due to the macho ego in our men. and i love it! their temper its like nothing you've ever experienced, i for one get totally out of control from time to time so my man likes to put his foot down and teach me a thing or two about respect, but not only men are like that latinas too, i am a colombiana who is very agressive but i'm not always like that tho! i like to have a laugh and never take things too seriously unless i have too but when my temper gets the better of me my husband has to go out and doesn't come back until i have calmed down otherwise he wont live to tell the story! he's also very scared of me as i am of him we have a mutual understanding and that is why our relationship works we understand that if he cheats on me the kitchen knife will be very useful for cutting his bolas! that's our understanding!

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 10, 2005, 11:42:

now I know the true meaning of the expression "balance of terror",
Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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oldbongo says on Jan 10, 2005, 11:46:

it's like this... kings and queens get along just fine as long
as they remember to be kings and queens.

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rash9000 says on Jan 10, 2005, 11:51:

madminx69 In general you can find more helpful people in small towns than in big cities,
Also, people who work for goverment offices in colombia usually are said to be very unpolite and rude, even with Colombian people.

This is something that called my attention, Cops in US are very respectful and kind. They are educated, unlike in colombia where cops usually don't know how to treat people.

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adela says on Jan 10, 2005, 12:56:

inner violence
"There is an inner violence that comes out strongly and quickly. I don´t want to sound negative but this site only talks about the good aspects of Colombian people"

Yes, it's common to explode for little things, but take care..If is often the couple has to see the therapist.

Sometimes my husband explodes, or sometimes I do..but 5 minutes later we are calm and not any memory of that. I have seen it is common here, but it is common also in Italy or Brasil.

I think there must be a balance(like Desi say)..a serious talk between the parts

Màs fe, màs abrazos, màs besos, màs disculpas, màs visitas a nuestros amigos antiguos nos haràn màs plenos cada vez.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Jan 10, 2005, 13:14:

Cops in the US are respectful and kind Tell that to Rodney King, or that Haitian guy that the NYPD buggered with a plunger.

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tzion says on Jan 10, 2005, 13:27:

"I am married to a Colombian woman and she can be extremely aggresive at times"

Really? Oh wow, that is SO sexy. *big grin*

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tzion says on Jan 10, 2005, 13:35:

Rash9000: I think it's fairly common that people in small towns are more approachable than those in metropolises. Government employees in all but the so-called "first-world" countries tend to be discourteous toward their clients. That is true as much of the Czech Republic as it is of Colombia.

As far as cops, sorry, but almost ALL cops are just plain bullies. Once they get you inside their police station, unless you're very influential, you will be treated like shit. As for US cops, I subscribe to Monsieur Hollywood's contribution.

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kernow62 says on Jan 10, 2005, 13:49:

Interesting discussion. Bogotá is supposed to be full of rude people, but I did not find them to be so. I don't care for people who are overly nice it makes me uneasy, but I never met a single Colombian on my trip who was disrespectful towards me or my wife.

rash9000 what part of the USA are you in? The cops are kind? Compared to Mike Tyson maybe.

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dwmte says on Jan 10, 2005, 16:05:

colombians..........angels? duh......i'm married to a marvelous paisa, intelligent, has her masters from belles artes in renaissance art, is courteous and faithful. does that mean she doesn't know about bitch? hardly, sometimes i think she posed for the definition.

she can get so out of hand you'ld think we were on our way to divorce court. but, then, sometime later, she's as calm as a kitten. i haven't figured it out in 15 years. i never knew another person that could start every day with a frickin war. but she does, and she aint gonna change. does that mean i'm lookin for the door? nope. the grass isn't greener on the other side of the fence. maybe fresher, but then freshness soon goes, too. si o no?

hell, i join others in applauding the colombians. i think they're great folks. they're livin in a world of hurt, for the most part and manage a smile and helpfullness just about all the time. they have a government that is so riddled with corruption that robs the country blind and deprives the public of their rights and necessities and over and above all this, along with all the armed factions and capos, they manage to treat each other and foreigners pretty damn nice.

cut em some slack. i've dealt with plenty of hassles in colombia over the years, but then again, i spent years in the middle east and africa where a pain in the ass, is a PAIN IN THE ASS. it makes what colombians dish out like ice cream. some government prick in iran or nigeria is like dealing with death, so give the colombians there due. they deal with their hardships in a damn nice way. yep, there's a prick or two here and there, but even they can be dealt with without to much hassle

dw

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G-Capo says on Jan 10, 2005, 16:11:

Some yes... Some Colombians are like that yes but so are some Americans and also people from the UK no different.A

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oldbongo says on Jan 10, 2005, 16:29:

dw...sir. we seem to share some perspectives on colombian life.

but tell me,did you ever discuss the word "bitch" as in "bitchy".?

i know that in colombia perra means "bitch" /i.e. you know what.

"don't be a bbbbb"..or "don't bbbbb at me" or "she's a bbbbb"
none of these refer to perra. so, mi pregunta es how to explain to
la commandante the subtle difference, so that she may be reminded
that bithchiness is not related to perraness.

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dwmte says on Jan 10, 2005, 16:39:

heh, old fella i was just talkin to you in the coke story.........you and tinto.

yeah, bitchy, bitch, whatever, if you're married to one, you know what i mean. now please note, i didn't talk bad or ill of my wife, hardly, i love her dearly. but boy, that woman has 'bitch' down pat and never lets me forget, lest i presume i'm in charge around here. she runs a tight ship and maintains her domain impeccably, and, too, never presumes to set foot in mine, or to try those ways in the things that are under my iron fist.

dw

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cremaster says on Jan 10, 2005, 16:48:

madminx Your post reminded me of the old Greek story about Diogenes.

He was sitting outside a city when a couple approached him and asked; ¨What kind of people will we find in this city?¨ Diogenes replied with a question of his own; ¨What were the people like in the previous city?¨ The couple answered; ¨Mostly honest.¨ Diogenes then told them, ¨You'll find the same in this city.¨

A while later, another couple approached and asked the same question; ¨What kind of people will we find in this city?¨ Diogenes repeated his own previous question; ¨What were the people like in the previous city?¨ The couple answered; ¨Totally dishonest, thieves and beggers.¨ Diogenes then told them, ¨You'll find the same in this city.¨

The only constant in your two month stay in Colombia was YOU. If you found Colombians to be rude, unwelcoming and unhelpful, maybe you should look at your own behavior.

Neddless to say, the Colombians I´ve met have been very warm, friendly and helpful.

Patrick

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YEP says on Jan 10, 2005, 17:13:

Ehm to those of you living with a Colombian partner
that can be aggressive at time ...... That must result in a lot of "make-up" tete a te .... "so just keep exploding regularly" ;-)

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kiwi says on Jan 11, 2005, 07:10:

Colombia not perfect but hey... I agree with you Colin, this website does tend to romantisise Colombia. Most men are interested in Colombia due to having a Colombian spouse, wife, gf etc (myself included). When I met my gf in London in 2002 I didn´t know anything about the place other than it sells a stack of coke to the States.

Nearly 3 yrs on, I´ve quit London and we´re living in Colombia. Do some things piss me off here, sure. But on the whole I am enjoying the place, people, food, rumba, eye candy and general vibe. Being able to speak Spanish wherever I go helps. But if you´re sitting on the fence, wondering whether to come or not, keep your house in London, come here for about 3 months, travel around, meet her family, learn Spanish and see how it goes. You´ll either love it or hate it, I don´t think there is an in-between.

I´ve been here 40 days, am off to Bogota tomorrow to sort out my visa to stay here 1 year. After that who knows. I´m in no hurry to leave and talking to my mates back in London, I could not go back to that shitty English winter ever again.

As far as madminx69´s comments about Colombians being the most unwelcoming, rude and unhelpful...all I can say dude is you went to a different Colombia than I´m living in! No es asi.

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goosekirk says on Jan 11, 2005, 08:52:

More cheerleading I don't want to cheerlead, but the fact is, in the total 6 months I've spent in Colombia, I can't recall ever having met a single rude or unhelpful person. The Colombians I encounter, if anything, are a little more formal and overly polite than I'm used to, even here in "rude" Bogota. People I barely know have regularly shown me tremendous acts of kindness and friendship.

Must just be 'cause I'm so good-lookin'.

Oh, the original poster wanted to hear some things that we don't like about living in Colombia. Well, there's apparently no good Indian food. And I do miss peanut butter cookies. But one learns to adapt. As far as the fiery latina temper, I'm aware of the stereotype, but I haven't actually seen this firsthand yet. I again can only attribute my good fortune to my above-mentioned radiant physical beauty.

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tzion says on Jan 11, 2005, 08:54:

Londonmale, duuuuuude... As someone who spent a considerable portion of my life living in London, it is completely beyond me why you'd not jump at the opportunity to quit Britain for a place like Colombia. I couldn't wait to get out of there. But each to their own, I guess. *shrug*

--MIchael

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Flyinrob13 says on Jan 11, 2005, 09:20:

I have been in Colombia for a few weeks now, and am really enjoying my time here. I spent New Years in Cartagena, drove up to Santa Marta for a few days, and then flew to Bogota. Every night I go out, I just have to smile. No dance floor required. For some reason, that has left a huge impression on me. Pretty cool. There are some things here that are different from what im used to, but thats to be expected. For the most part, I think that people here are very friendly and nationalistic. Most of the people that I have met here a are very welcoming in my opinion, and they even say "welcome to my country", and go on to explain why the city that they are from is the best city in Colombia.

I have had a few bad experiences, but that has been limited to taxi drivers and one store owner trying to overcharge. Other things like people not wanting to wait in line might bother me, but if thats the way they do it, then I guess ill have adapt.

Most of my experiences have been good though. Here in Bogota I spend most the day walking around town and doing the tourist thing. If I have a problem, I find a cop or a local citizen, and ask for help. No big deal. People are usually helpful. At night, I go out to the bars with a group of friends that I have met here, and have a great time. I have been here for a few weeks and already have a group of local friends. Thats cool too. The parque 93 is really nice. Thought id throw that out there.

In the end, when I travel, I just try to go with the flow, and figure out how things work. I will definately be comming back to Colombia.

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Flyinrob13 says on Jan 11, 2005, 09:27:

Hey Goosekirk Last night I was at Cafe Renault in Parque 93, and had some Indian food. They didnt have a huge selection, and I only had the hummus and the bread (naan?), but the other Indian items on the menu looked good.

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Angel_Gabriel says on Jan 11, 2005, 10:20:

The experience you can have in Colombia or anywhere else depends on your & other's attitude & frame of mind, duh! You knew this already!

I have traveled to a few places such as Peru, Guadaloupe, England, Mexico, and others & just recently Colombia. There's a negative & positive stories to tell about each country like the fella in England on my way back to London from Taunton. The train was packed & I remained with my luggage diagonally to the Restroom. A little girl & her sister asked the man standing next to the bathroom door if they can use it, and screaming outloud he said exactly "Only if you're English!" Obviously I was the only NON-english looking dude there,etc...I have to say MY PERSONAL best collective experiences have been in Monterrey, Mexico & Peru. Lovely approachable almost timid girls all around except not a lot of caribean music spots to enjoy (salsa, merengure rico), the musica norteña is big in the northeast of Mexico so it seems. As for Colombia, Bogota was a bit gloomy & people were generally nice or quiet, and to themselves. The air in Cali was much more relaxed, people more friendly, I got invited to free drinks mamy times at Chipichape by just striking conversations. Those of you gringo-looking or very good looking stand a good chance of meeting & making things happen rather quickly in Cali. For those of us that look Colombian or something else, you better have a good agenda & be outgoing & have other attributes if you're there for a few days only, put yourself to test :)

One other thing, like a seemingly-intelligent-quick-minded-but-lately-more-like-a-big-time-feminist-swedish-woman once said, yes, Cali women are interesadas, well, at least what I noticed at the chipichape it is obvious, money & status rules anywhere you go pretty much. However, having said that, I made nice humble friends at the sexta (even some venezolanas lindas en vacaciones), got invited to their place in barrio las americas, met some more girls there who didn't seem at all superficial like their counterparts at Chipi or Unicentro or the new one they just built. Mind you, ain't tall & blue eyes & most times said I was from another south american country as opposed to the USA. Scoring the first day in Cali was not in my book but it did happen mates!

I am Central American & ask any someone who is not colombian, a lot will tell you Colombians tend to be inaccessible, rude, que se creen gran cosa and yes, it is not the first time the comment is heard from other nationalities about the state of the country is a reflection of the attitude they have, perhaps not entirely true but it does rings a bell though
I mean, look at Colombiano X. Ese tipo es transparente de lejos para aquellos que realmente saben jajajaja
Tranquilo Kompa es una piedrita nada mas, no duele mucho, que usted no sabe bailar???!
PS. Can't wait to party in Dominican Republic. Martinique is getting thumbs up lately! Enjoy while you can, be safe!

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goosekirk says on Jan 11, 2005, 10:24:

Hey, thanks Flyinrob I'll give that place a shot.

Y'know, I'm still trying to remember if I've had any bad experiences here. There was one very early morning where a taxi driver tried to overcharge me. I guess he figured me for a stupid, drunk gringo. Come to think of it, good call on his part. I only had a 20 in my wallet, so I handed it to the driver, and he just grinned and said thanks, bye. I thought it was funny... c'mon, ya can't blame the guy for giving it a shot. I told him to at least give me back a ten (on a 7-8 mil ride) and we'd call it good, and he was happy to do so.

I dunno... maybe other people would get pissy about this sort of thing, but I figure any cabbie who wouldn't try to make a few extra quid off a drunk gringo staggering home at 6AM just isn't trying hard enough. And at least the guy was polite and friendly.

After six months of bad behavior, this is the worst I've gotten so far. Either Colombia's not as bad as it's made out to be, or I've gotten extremely lucky, or my aforementioned ravishing looks have carried the day.

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 11, 2005, 12:05:

I was interested in hearing your positive comments about Monterrey, Angel_Gabriel. I have spent some time there and I liked it too.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 11, 2005, 12:18:

I wonder Angel_ Gabriel, who might this "feminist" you were talking about have been? There aren't any such here in Sweden, as far as I know:)
Anyway, I'm glad you had a good time in Cali.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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ColombianoX says on Jan 11, 2005, 13:01:

madminx,

I don't know where you're from, but I doubt it is somewhere where people will always greet you with a smile or a very polite "a la orden" every time you enter a store, or where your neighbors always greet you and not ignore you.

I think anyone who makes such pejorative generalizations about any nation in general is a bigot or a racist.


ColombianoX

'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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ColombianoX says on Jan 11, 2005, 13:09:

"I am Central American & ask any someone who is not colombian, a lot will tell you Colombians tend to be inaccessible, rude, que se creen gran cosa and yes, it is not the first time the comment is heard from other nationalities about the state of the country is a reflection of the attitude they have, perhaps not entirely true but it does rings a bell though"

Angel_Gabriel,

Why don't you do us all a favor and tell us where you're from? What paradise is this where everyone is apparently so perfect? You said yourself that many colombians invited you to drinks and then you come here and criticize the hospitality of the colombian people? You sir, are an ungrateful hypocrite.

It seems to me that the one "que se cree la gran cosa" es usted! Apparently you're ego was bruisded because the lovely colombianas didn't give you all the attention you thought you deserved, well take that as a wake up call to reality!


ColombianoX

'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

ColombianoX 'Defensor de la Colombianidad'

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Lionheart says on Jan 11, 2005, 13:17:

Latin Attitudes I have noticed very often that no matter in which Latin country I asked the question, their country is the best, and all others are horrible. From the words I heard they would have no remorse to say the same in public into the face of the other person.

So, I deduct from that that Latin American countries have a very nationalistic sense of pride and do not accept other nations to be equal (reminds me a bit of Europe here.)

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 11, 2005, 13:21:

That is so true, Lionheart. My wife and kids are always babbling about all this South American nonsense - who's better than who etc. Sometimes I just want to tell them, who cares? As far as we're concerned no one gives a hoot if Chile has more blah, blah, blah than Peru or Ecuador is less blah, blah, blah than Boliva.

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Angel_Gabriel says on Jan 11, 2005, 14:41:

ZA ZA ZA Mesa que mas aplauda...

ColombianoX,

It figures. You really need to take a trip somewhere else brother. Relax. You come thru as rude as they can be from wherever country that may be. Myself, Angel was making a comment for everyone else to contrast it with his or her personal experiences and views. Someone made a comment that has been heard here, particularly in the New York City area. I found it interesting that person was not Latino.

Looks like a guy on the defensive (at all times if I have noticed) is you.
"I am Central American & ask any someone who is not colombian, a lot will tell you Colombians tend to be inaccessible, rude, que se creen gran cosa and yes, it is not the first time the comment is heard from other nationalities about the state of the country is a reflection of the attitude they have, perhaps not entirely true but it does rings a bell though"

The above is plainly a comment just made & just that and YOU can take it as comes. What, do you want me to lie to you? I got tons of Colombian friends in NY & we have even talked about stuff like that, some agreed others disagree. Trust me, other Latin nationalities coming aboard this forum will read you over thru & thru but, well you do good “defending� Colombia (as you put it mate). She does have a lot to be defended for and just as much to be “glorified� for.

What is this paradise you’re talking about? Why say that? What is wrong with you? Do you not get women in Florida??? I’d say Florida is a paradise. You got me cracking up guy but not for too long though ;) You are just an example of what some people may perceive from SOME Colombians here in the states. Once again, relax.

A lot of your responses/posts are nothing more to strike controversies & even intimidate people: “You said yourself that many colombians invited you to drinks and then you come here and criticize the hospitality of the colombian people? You sir, are an ungrateful hypocrite.� Guy, you don’t even know the half of me & here you are taking & connecting things completely out of context. Everyone is free to make a comment & you chose to come all defensive.

I happen to be from Honduras & it isn’t a paradise. I will be one of the first ones to tell you Colombia –in many ways- is much ahead many other south/central American countries but that’s it. You don’t want to hear the other side of it; no thanks you’ll take offense Sir.

Why don’t you go to Mexico, Peru, Costa Rica? My advice, do go. It will open up your mind as a Colombiano, Peruvian, Swedish, Filipino, German, etc.

For the record, I never said a country or people are better than any other.

Cheers & thanks to all! Please excuse ColombianoX’s shamefully bad manners, I’m not Colombian and I am even ashamed of it.

Thanks again!

Angel

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Angel_Gabriel says on Jan 11, 2005, 14:53:

Nuevo Leon, Monterrey UtopiaCowboy,

I almost love it & have been back a few times, as anywhere, you do need to know local people to enjoy the city & its surroundings in the beginning. Also, Monterrey rates as a great city to start a business & make money at it! It can be a little mellow at times & no immediate beach to visit. One of my places to settle probably when I get much older, who knows Mexico has great spot to retire to. I heard Panama is another destination to start a business down south.

Here's an interesting link:
http://www.livescience.com/forcesofnature/050107_disaster_hotspots.html

Regards,

Angel

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Katjie says on Jan 18, 2005, 10:25:

londonmale, en q' huecos te metes? Where do you live & where do you go in Colombia? I read your posts and I asked myself, what places is this person frequenting?
I'm from NY and I know better than to go to the "getto". It goes w/out saying what kind of foods, sanitary habits, treatment from the locals, etc. I will experience. The rudeness from some people from Colombia inside the country could be from this; For some reason americans & europeans, when visiting or living in another country expect a treatment different from what they would receive in their native country. Why? No idea. When I watch the news, a movie and such in which an american says, "I'm an american" it's understood that they believe this is some kind of waiver or pass from being treated "rudely". I laugh and say out loud: Try that in Colombia...No one gives a ----. Treat people as you wish to be treated, and you'll get along better. Also, choose where to hang-out wisely.
Katjie

Katjie

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 18, 2005, 10:40:

As far i am concern I'm an angel with the devil inside hehehe

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oldbongo says on Jan 18, 2005, 10:49:

that's why... you're invited to a party with some devils,
...who are angels inside.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 18, 2005, 10:52:

You old devil ;-)
Elmo angel inside?? nooooo

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oldbongo says on Jan 18, 2005, 10:56:

who's the most beautiful girl in the world? ...your daughter?
..his daughter?
.my daughter?

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dwmte says on Jan 18, 2005, 17:22:

all three of my daughters, of course.... i've got the three most beautiful in the world. period.

and colombiano x....brother, angel is right, you need to lighten up. don't take everyone to task for sharing their experiences/observations/feelings, like you were one of those islamic moral policemen. yich.

we all see/feel/interpret on an individual basis. it doesn't make any of us right or wrong. just us. share YOUR observations of colombia, try NOT to chastise others for theirs. colombia doesn't need defending, no body is trying to destroy her. she's a marvel, that's why so many go there and try to peek behind her veils. here it is 15-16 years downstream and i'm still intrigued. and you? just tell us what you know and love about her. for me, that's enough.

peace, brother,

dw

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isaactraveler says on Jan 18, 2005, 17:44:

sometimes, dislike transcends language. you may not be too fond of colombians ( as per your other posts) I see from the sarcasm, however dont blame the colombians or peruvians or the venezuelans. maybe they just arent fond of you.

I dont wave any money when I go to visit. I do however smile a lot, and get a lot of smiles back. very friendly place.

I live in Texas, and just from reading your posts, I want to mug you. No offense.

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 18, 2005, 18:24:

Wow, Isaac, you want to kick his virtual ass? Normally us Texans are a friendly lot. Were you provoked?

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isaactraveler says on Jan 18, 2005, 18:26:

I am not really mad but they say a fool and his money are soon parted, and I want to be first in line.

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RolaParaTodaLaVida says on Jan 20, 2005, 12:46:

women may be nice but they need to become more aware there are people that move to the U.S.A and believe that if you meet someone by a few months you are life partnets...and will soon marry! unprepared for whats next...gets pregnant and then believes that the relationship will move on like a fary tale!
some men may decide to move forward but if you have not actually known one another how could you expect anything?
this is the story of someone that i know. the girl is her early 30s but her personality and emotional being is of someone in her late teens. now she is in a new country/culture and doesn't have family in the country and believes that having the child will convince the man to stay with her.
its sad, because this is not the way to begin a life in the U.S.A and with her visa running out.
any comments?

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lpdiver says on Jan 20, 2005, 17:08:

Rola A person with the personality of late teens does not need a baby.

"cook some rice!"

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RolaParaTodaLaVida says on Jan 21, 2005, 09:02:

they need to become aware Tell me something...has you moved from one country to another at a young age? Or has any one in your family taken that step?
I have. The cultures from Colombia vs. U.S.A are very different. This becomes a struggle if your values do not mingle with your surroundings. I never jeopardized my values but I did realize what the world had to offer as well as what dangers and obstacles I had to encounter.
The people in Colombia have a big heart. There is a lot of respect to their neighbors and to the church, I love that about Colombia and I do believe that is a big weakness in the states. But what I am talking about is "awareness". Knowing your surroundings and being able to know that in a different country foreigners MAY NOT posses similar values. Although, for the most part basic needs are similar, the values are not.
I do notice that women in other countries are expected to marry young and to have children soon after. Even now in Colombia women are still not expected to stay in the business world for too long. When they do, they are looked down upon. While in the U.S.A that is just another choice anyone could make. In other countries “twenty something mom/wife� is the “thirty something mom/wife� in the U.S.A.
Love is another struggle. People in the states will date a few people and will only consider them friends or people they knew at some point in their lives while
in Colombia I have noticed how women fall in love so quickly. They become devoted in a short period of time with out considering anything else. Having a child and holding on to the dream of having a relationship with someone makes it even worse.
Yes I know that at the malls in the U.S.A you will see late teens that act childish but it’s the same in Colombia. I was shopping in the malls there and I didn’t see much difference in the malls. I saw young women dressed older than they were (just like in the states). I did however see a big difference with my cousin who is 16 years old dating someone who is 24. Her parents approved and the relationship has continued. Is that correct? Is that being aware? No! What is a 24 year old man doing with an adolescent! And in this relationship things are quiet serious! I advised my cousin to take a step back and think of graduating high school and applying to college and to think of contraceptives if sex is part of their relationship. (Do you think sex is not a thought in that man’s mind?!) For what ever reason my family doesn’t seem harm in this relationship because the guy seems to be nice. Yeah so he is nice! So is a plate of cake! Sweet at first and then its gone!

There are multiple ethnic cultures within the U.S.A as well as the overall American culture. With all the possibility to attend college, own your own car/home and have a better life, it brings a different awareness for both men as well as for women. Along with the health/ sex education that is offered in high school. Yes people in the states become aware of their surroundings at an early stage but I rather have awareness for myself as a woman and for all of my girl cousins in Colombia then to be taken for a fool.

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