Any real Kazaks in Colombia?

Paisa/Calena/Luver says on Jun 30, 2009, 22:34:

Hi Vadoom! Good Evening!

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alezzz says on Jun 30, 2009, 22:41:

borat?

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capt_j says on Jul 1, 2009, 02:08:

The whole Borat thing was a really cheap shot. Sascha Baron Cohen should be ashamed of himself.

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El Expatriado says on Jul 1, 2009, 03:52:

What about Toni or whatever the hell his name is?. He claims he is a Kazak and teaches Russian.

I have lived in Kazakstan. I have questions to ask people to prove they are Kazak. One is very esoteric, and I can ask now. The others, can possibly be checked on thhe internet, and requires interactive chatting with a time limit. Because I am in Sakhalin, Far East Russia, I can't ask the other questions, cuz I am online when you guys are asleep.

1.First Escoteric Question: Who (specifically)owns Astana airlines?

I am also going to ask you another, you might be able to check on the Internet. Please answer the following in Western (Non-cyrilic) letters:

2. How doyou say "Thank You" in Kazak (Not Russian).

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Vadoom says on Jul 1, 2009, 07:57:

"Borat" is stupid, racist movie and has nothing to do with Kazakstan.
1. Village, filmed in this movie located somewhere in Balcans. Possibly Romanian or most likely Gypses.
2. People speak in language which is not Kazak at all.
3. The President is actually Aliev the President of Azerbaijan not Nazarbayev.

El Expatriado,

I can prove it more easily just showing my passport. PM your email address and I can send you scanned copy with Colombian working visa in it. Where did you live or work in Kazakstan? Atyrau, Aktau, Aktobe? What company or oilfield? I used to work at North Buzachi, Tengiz, Aksai.

1. I have no idea who is an owner.
2. There are two options depending on region and context - Sau bol or Rahmet.

I have my own questions to all those people to give a proof and these questions are based on history and genealogy which any Kazak should know. For instance we kept tribal system to avoid marriages between close relatives and should know at least 7 generations before, I know all my ancestors back to 15-th century. Have you heard of it, El Expatriado?

So my question is - What is your tribe? Руы кiм? Well, Russian speaking can find Kazak genealogy in Internet but I can ask Kazaks in Kazakstan and find anyone who has nothing to do with us.
Another my question would be why I write KazaKstan not KazaKHstan.

Tone Loc is easy-e now I suppose. And my guess he is Russian/German born in Kazakstan and moved on in 90'th with his parents.

All well educated Kazaks speak Russian fluently. So please, answer in Russian or Kazak if you know.

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Vadoom says on Jul 1, 2009, 08:22:

Paisa/Calena/Luver,

Buenos dias.

Disculpa me, I should greet you first before posting anything.

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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jul 1, 2009, 08:32:

Sam Salmon says on Jul 1, 2009, 10:52:

Beautiful Kazakh singer/song

' a la orden!'

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Vadoom says on Jul 1, 2009, 11:02:

Sam Salmon,

Thank you very much!

I think I know this place - Almaty, Uzbek restaurant "Tyubeteika". People in national dresses sitting behind her are Uzbeks actually. But singer is Kazak in Kazak national dress.
HTK is Kazak TV company.

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El Expatriado says on Jul 2, 2009, 03:00:

Vadoom, I wasn't questioning you, I was questioning that Toni guy, but you may be the same person. In Kyzlorda (or Qyzlorda) they used Rahmet. Because there are a lot of people here who claim they are Kazakhs.

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El Expatriado says on Jul 2, 2009, 03:16:

Privyet Vadoom (Cyrilics won't copy). Kok Dila?

I am trying not too speak Russian. It gives me a headache. I am working 12 hour a day 6 days a week herein Yuzhno Sakalinsk. My Russian teacher is mad at me, but she still gets paid .

Dasvadanya

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El Expatriado says on Jul 2, 2009, 03:17:

Where can yo find Shashleek in Colombia?

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Vadoom says on Jul 2, 2009, 07:21:

El Expatriado,

I am not the same person, never been jailed or charged for any crime. Before applying for work visa I was asked by Colombian embassy to give them apostilled police certificate.

Ok, you worked for Hurricane, Kumkol or KazGermunai. The word "Rahmet" came from Arabian language and we use it widely.

Try this one www. translit.ru. You can type Latin and get Cyrillic.
Спасибо, хорошо. Есть одна тонкость при изучении чужого языка - я сужу по собственному опыту - необходимо научиться ДУМАТь на нём и тогда заговоришь бегло. А с другой стороны, с возрастом мозги уже не так легко воспринимают что-то абсолютно новое.

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Vadoom says on Jul 2, 2009, 08:58:

I am not really interested in Shashlyk. I would get Beshbarmak and Shoubat.

I have seen kind of BBQ on wood sticks and maiz. My wife is mad on that maiz

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muchacho_escondido says on Jul 2, 2009, 13:48:

Не, я не реальный казах, но я там родился и знаю слово "жаксы" от папы :) А ещё я был в Караганде несколько раз. Там карагачи росли, а вокруг такая жёлтая бесконечная степь, что мне было совсем непривычно после тайги, где я вырос...

Кстати, я много Чингиза Ахматова читал и восхищался (хоть он, вроде бы и киргиз был, а писал про Казахстан больше). Его слова погружали меня в какой-то более настоящий мир, где я чувствовал себя как дома. Для меня Казахстан-- это такое мистическое, особенное для меня место, куда я когда-нибудь надеюсь снова съездить.

Ну, всего доброго вам на колумбийщине, Вадум!

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Vadoom says on Jul 2, 2009, 14:16:

Спасибо за пожелание, Мучачо. Позвольте предположить, что вы не в Колумбии, если желаете мне всего доброго здесь.
Да, Чингиз Айтматов киргиз. Никогда не был в Караганде, к сожалению ничего не могу сказать. Но родился в Восточном Каз-не, последние годы жил на Мангыстау. Вам стоит посетить оба региона. Вост Каз возможно, будет ближе вам по менталитету, там до сих пор много русских. А вот Мангыстау будет для вас абсолютно новым опытом. Это суровые места в природном плане и люди такие же жёсткие. Ещё это был оплот суфизма в Казахстане, в своё время там проповедовали 362 суфия.

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muchacho_escondido says on Jul 2, 2009, 14:35:

Нет, я не в Колумбии, у меня жена оттуда.

Нет, на Каспийском море не был. Правда, у меня есть друг из Ирана, семья которого с каспийского побережья Ирана. Он мне много рассказывал про те края. Хотя, конечно же, от Казахстана это далеко...

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Vadoom says on Jul 2, 2009, 15:09:

Вы не в дипломатическом учреждении работаете?

Иран далеко, в последнее время много казахов переехало оттуда в Казахстан. Бежали в своё время от Советской власти.

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muchacho_escondido says on Jul 2, 2009, 15:15:

>Вы не в дипломатическом учреждении работаете?

Нет, я не дипломат, хотя было бы здорово :)

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dwmte7 says on Jul 2, 2009, 16:27:

well.....living proof that it's bette red than dead. a delima that has stalked me all the days of my life. and as for your desire for shishleek (kabob) as close as you're gonna get is chuzos....the little meats on spewers....but you'll die three times before you find kabob y barg (lamb heart)....and i could care less if you're interested or if anyone else is interested....it's one of the finest delicacies on this earth. i used to treat myself in shiraz to the hubblybubbly, great tea and 'bargh' and a yogurt sauce...to die for. sitting around a fountain that was built over a thousand years ago. real nice.

d

patriarch

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Vadoom says on Jul 2, 2009, 16:45:

{it's one of the finest delicacies on this earth.}

I ate kebabs made by Azerbaijan, Kazak, Russian, Armenian, Uzbek, Iraqi (or Kurd?). people tastes differ. you like kebab i prefer kazy. That could be another quiz question for "so-far-kazaks" - What is kazy?

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Vadoom says on Jul 2, 2009, 16:50:

Мучачо, вы не пробовали переписываться по русски с неким Тони ака Изи И, выдающим себя за казаха? Да ещё вроде как преподающего русский?

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dwmte7 says on Jul 2, 2009, 18:16:

vadoom.....not just kabab.....heart kabob. everyone's eaten kabab

patriarch

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Vadoom says on Jul 2, 2009, 21:22:

ok, i wont insist on it. never tried heart one just meet

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El Expatriado says on Jul 3, 2009, 03:40:

I am giving too much info. away. Maybe time to change my handle again.

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Vadoom says on Jul 3, 2009, 17:06:

jaunes aka Jason Burnett is British not Kazak. http://www.travelblog.org/Bloggers/Juanes/

two more left: Monita Linda and Easy-E

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dwmte7 says on Jul 3, 2009, 17:24:

i'm curious....how did you kazakhitanis end up in colombia?

patriarch

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Vadoom says on Jul 3, 2009, 19:26:

moved within company. next time (in 2-3 years) will be somewhere else. if wont choose to stay here for the rest of life. hope not to...

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magri says on Jul 3, 2009, 23:50:

i dont think you can't find real kazaks in colombia, except from u. I hope you like colombia. just be very careful when your using the public transportation... there is a lot of robbering going on.

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Vadoom says on Jul 4, 2009, 00:04:

I like Colombia and do not like its weather. I just soaked in so much water i did not have for years.
Thanks magri. I beware though I look like pretty much Colombiano and people ask me questions all the time

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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Jul 4, 2009, 03:05:

MonitaLinda is not from Kazakshtan, she's from the Netherlands.

A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi

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CakeDesigner-wannabe says on Jul 4, 2009, 08:00:

I have friends who are from Kazahs.. .they find 'Borat' film very offensice... because it has nothing to do with Kazahkstan

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dwmte7 says on Jul 4, 2009, 08:51:

more specifically, because cohen is a selfish, user of people. he's offensive and basically a prick.

patriarch

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tasco66 says on Jul 4, 2009, 08:55:

There was a fake Kazak called Tone Loc...he calls himself Black Elvis now and claims to be German...

The trouble with free elections is, you never know who is going to win (Leonid Brezhnev)

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Vadoom says on Jul 4, 2009, 18:00:

really, Cakedesigner? In UK? They are right about it even name of his character is a fake.

As I said before this prick Tone either Russian or german born in Kazakstan. Once Soviet Union fell apart Russians living there, suddenly realized they are not elite anymore, just ordinar sitizens having the same rights as many others. It made them angry and foolish, millions left Kazakstan and some of them (not all to be honest) claiming that Kazaks confiscated their houses, raped their relatives, killed their pets etc. Fooking hell! Can you imagine a few millions of Americans immigrated to Colombia, lived and ruled here for 70 years then left the country for whatever reasons and kept talking that English must be official language and, for instance, North Colombia should be US territory because they invested money and have some property overhere?

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El Expatriado says on Jul 5, 2009, 02:46:

Vadoom, with all due respect, I got a totally different story from not only Russians, but Koreans , Tatars and Chechens living in Kazakhstan.

And no mention of rapes or pet killings.

I guess it depends on who you talk to.

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El Expatriado says on Jul 5, 2009, 02:47:

Anyway, you all end up coming to Canada and bring your petty squables there along with you.

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Vadoom says on Jul 5, 2009, 10:58:

sure it is. i've no idea what you've been told. do not tell me about Koreans. My anckle married to Korean and her brother pretty good in Kazakstan, one of wife's friend is Korean living in Kazakstan. Chechens use Kazakstan as a kind of resort for their wounded militians and sure as hell they do not like their guerilleros be captured and deported back to Russia.

There is a refugees program in Russia and all those bastards wanted to earn money from russian government. and these m..fookers told me "do not mind we know this is not a true but we need money". This scenario they use everywhere last time in South Ossetia. Do you remember Russian histerics about thousands killed dead? RUSSIAN (!) prosecutors proved only 300-400 deaths over 6 days of this war. Do you remember Russian claims of Tskhinvali been 100% vanished? Russian Ministry of Emergency Situations reported only 30% of damaged AND destroyed buildings. Remember Tskhinvali is small town with 30,000 population. Have you seen Tskhinvali and surroundings in Internet? you can see facilities like pump stations or supermarkets in perfect condition and bouldozered georgian houses in Tskhinvali. In fact, a few Georgian villages in South Ossetia were completely destroyed and burnt off.

You have not heard squabbles between Russians and Jewish emigrants...

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El Expatriado says on Jul 6, 2009, 02:07:

So what about the Tatars......

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CakeDesigner-wannabe says on Jul 6, 2009, 08:09:

Vadoom. I knew Kazahs friends through Dating Online (Russian). I still am using that online dating site but only as 'friends' and they tell me about what they think of Borat

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Rocco81 says on Jul 6, 2009, 09:01:

Tone_Loc (now known as Eazy_E....which puzzles me because you aren't supposed to be able to change your name right mods?)

He claims to be from Kazahkstan but is full of it. I think he is a bored Brit most likely. Anyhow, he is oviously friends with the Mods here and not only allowed to change his screen name but also talk shit about USA ,other posters, Gay Bashing, Crack smoking without bieng fishbowled or deleted..and I'll stop there.

Anyhow if Tone_Loce / Sleazy E is really Kazahk you wouldn't want to hang out with him anyways.

Sic semper tyrannis

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Vadoom says on Jul 9, 2009, 07:48:

pufff, dag out it.

El Expatriado,

My grandma (mother's mother) is Tatar. You likely spoke to Tatars converted to Christianity or married to Russian.

Cake,

Do you speak Russian?

Rocco81,

I really doubt anyone will chat with someone insulting your country or your people either.

I would like modes to stop this person Tone-Easy shitting here.

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El Expatriado says on Jul 10, 2009, 04:54:

I usd to speak pigeon Russian. Now I can survive in a restaurane or bar " Ya Kachew adnon Piva Pazsshalsta", but I have a tlot of trouble in a grocery store, cuz they don't have exact change and want me to give "Shto vocem Roubles" or some stupid thing so they can give them 500 back instead of 388 Roubles.. Too complicated for me.

I knew a beautiful Tatar girl in Kyzylorda (smoker though). This Polish guy said that she didn't like Pork cuz she was Muslim. I said "Yeah but she sure likes getting Porked!"

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Vadoom says on Jul 10, 2009, 07:54:

If she smokes and drink alcohol she cannot be Muslim whatever she think and speaks. I am Muslim and do not drink anything where alcohol supposed to be even non alcohol beer. And do not smoke either.

The real trouble are taxists, everywhere. Did you try to get exact change from them? hahahaha

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El Expatriado says on Jul 12, 2009, 03:16:

I thought Booze, sex , smoking and Pork were muslim sacraments in Kazakhstan. My boss only quit those during Ramadam. I did not see too many real muslims when I was in Kazakhstan.

My driver was Tatar as well, and he kept telling me how good this lard was for fighting the cold in winter. I said , "What's it made of" he said "Melted Pigs fat" I said "I am not Muslim and I sure wouldn't eat that shit.

I tell you, the Kazaks in Kyzlorda sure can pile away the Vodka. Even the women are migty tough drinkers.

No, I've been to Saudi Arabia, they follow the rules there. Sure don't in Kazakstan.

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El Expatriado says on Jul 12, 2009, 03:18:

Actually, thank god Kazakstan IS NOT like Saudi Arabia. That's the last thing you want.

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