Any Experts on Colombian Women?

JamieJ says on Sep 22, 2004, 22:50:

Age depends on a few things how you both look for your age and how you both behave for your age. Thirteen years should not be a factor if all the other right ingredients are there. What is more important is your mutual interest, goals, role expectations, enjoyment together and shared love. Ask her what she thinks about this age difference. Ask her what she will think of this age difference when you she is 30 and you are 43. What is the age difference of her parents and other family members?

Jamie
Engage The Exotic - Colombian Women

Jamie

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Miguel says on Sep 23, 2004, 00:01:

Depends on the people... Jamie is right on the money. By the way Jamie, I will be in BAQ next week and would like to meet you and get your perspective on living there. I assume calling your office number is the best way to reach you...Mike

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pointofview says on Sep 23, 2004, 08:56:

Experts on Colombian Women ?? THERE ARE NONE !!!! NO ONE CAN FIGURE THEM OUT !!!!

Thirteen years difference is "no difference" in the Colombian culture as women (in my battered opinion) are looking for mature partners. If the maturity comes in a younger man that certainly works too but 10 to 20 years difference is age is not out of the norm.

Elmo and I of course are more experienced on this issue of age difference.

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elmodefoque says on Sep 23, 2004, 09:11:

That’s right! I’m 20 years older than my wife and I’m getting close to the big freaking 5-0 and I've still not grown up. Though this broad is much younger than me she is the adult in the house, except when I throw her in the sack then i'm the boss.
I called her Nancy Reagan, she’s says no to drugs and I say keep it coming. That’s were we have extreme views.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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oldbongo says on Sep 23, 2004, 10:36:

this oldgringo says more than right!!

you guys are just kids!!(nice kids),

but 13, or 20 years difference,...nada..try 31...its better!!

doctorito elmo;...a question;

have you and nancy ever resolved her fear of la mona

other than horizontally??...intellectually,..spiritually..legally?

and,...do you know who is resposible for all of this??

....the one who coined the phrase:

"you're only as old as the woman you feel"

....blame him

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elmodefoque says on Sep 23, 2004, 10:49:

Oldgringo,
you sir, are my hero, hands down! 30 years, Good for you. I 'm still trying to convince my young Colombian wife to let me bring my ex -mona for a friendly threesome, but not been successful yet.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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isaactraveler says on Sep 23, 2004, 10:50:

i wouldnt say i am an expert I have noticed that Colombia is very tolerant of age differences. I am 16 years older than my fiancee. At 42 I am just now becoming a responsible adult. I think many women in Colombia and maybe other parts of latin america also look for maturity and stability over romance and sexual attraction ( although I can't see any relationship working out without some mutual sexual attraction). I imagine after suffering in a country that has few job opportunities and most men are earning little, the average colombian women wants stability and security most of all (something most american women can get on their own these days). It also helps to speak spanish.

*WARNING juvenile side about to post*
Wow, its also great to think that at 50 I will still have a very sexy wife with a SUPERB TUSHY who loves her "gordito" (she is referring to my body and not my penis, but I can pretend) WOOHOO to us oldies!!

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JamieJ says on Sep 23, 2004, 14:34:

Miguel Yes calling the office would be fine. I am moving my office this weekend so hopefully the phones will work as schedule but that is probably a big maybe few things work on schedule here. I will be moving 2 doors down for a month and than again.



Jamie
Engage The Exotic - Colombian Women

Jamie

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arranincolombia says on Sep 23, 2004, 16:38:

Taking emeralds to Europe Anyone had any experience exporting emeralds or 'just taking some home'?
I am heading to Europe in a month and have invested $500 to see if there is a market. I´m told I will probably double my money, which will pay for my flight this time. If anyone has any info or contacts in Europe who are always buying, please drop me a line,thanks.
Arran.

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Barranquilla4life says on Sep 23, 2004, 22:06:

You may be right her sisters are all married to older men. I know one is close to our age difference. Thanks

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Barranquilla4life says on Sep 23, 2004, 22:09:

jajajajajajajajaja thanks

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utopiacowboy says on Sep 23, 2004, 22:15:

I read this constantly - how Colombian women prefer much older men for partners. My wife says this is not true - she and any Colombiana she knows prefer men about the same age. My observations of couples in Bogota, Medellin, and Monteria seem to indicate that most of them are about the same age. You do see some large age differences where the man is a lot older but it is not common. Sure a Colombiana will entertain a relationship with a much older gringo - there are other factors at work there. Age is not everything.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Sep 24, 2004, 08:21:

age difference utopia, I've made the same observation. Every one of my Colombian female friends says that they'd prefer a man close to their own age, maybe a couple of years older but not more than ten. All of the my friends that are married have husbands fairly close to their own age, except one that got divorced a few years ago and remarried a European man about ten years her senior.
Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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elmodefoque says on Sep 24, 2004, 10:09:

Like most old goats, we enjoy nailing young women, but I never wanted to marry one I just wanted to have a good time. As a matter of fact I really never wanted to marry anyone; she’s my first wife and definitely my last. I did not even marry my kids mother and we were together for 10 years. All I wanted was to end up living the winters under a bridge in Miami and the summers in a beach in Cabo San Lucas, Mexico. But this young broad has changed all that.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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isaactraveler says on Sep 24, 2004, 10:53:

I think the acceptance of age difference has ALOT to do with who the man is (Foreigner) and the ability to provide. Thats something you see in all countries I guess. I am not saying all things being equal that women wouldnt want someone their own age (or younger), just that a wider age difference seems to be more acceptable in Latin America.

Single life has treated me well(and Loreal Hair color didnt hurt).

http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/images/thumb/thumb_angelicas_birthday_party_at_guitar_y_rhumba3-4650.jpg I think you see it larger just looking at my forum tho.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Sep 24, 2004, 11:10:

yes, of course when feeling insecure about how your future is turning out with little prospects and no social network, a woman tends to accept or even prefer an older partner. It happens all over the world and is a major reason why older disgruntled westerners look for a bride in less developed parts of the world. The young women in these countries know exactly how to take advantage of this situation and cater to these men, thus making them feel like kings. It doesn't mean, however, that they actually prefer an older partner, just that due to their particular circumstances, an older, foreign male seems like a better provider for the time being.
Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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elmodefoque says on Sep 24, 2004, 11:32:

Thank you once again desi, I⢠/ Thank you once again desi, I’ve been saying this for a long time. Colombian women and most women from third world look toward guys from rich countries, weather they be young, old, ugly or even a lousy laid, for financial stability. I know we will get heat from Colombian women and men but that's reality and the women will also come out with the same story, “foreign men know how to make you feel special, and they’re real gentlemen and know how to treat a lady, and so on, but the guys are never from Haiti or Rwanda .
I will add that once you give them that security in most cases their love will be genuine.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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caslug says on Sep 24, 2004, 12:03:

Elmo's right on this Even in the States women of marriage age (lates twenties to early thirties) are looking for nice guys, who are career & financially stable, decent looking, BUT they don't have to be "fun or interesting" AS much. Why? Because American women 18-25 go thru their party stage(just like guys) where they HAVE/DID date guys who are fun, good looking, show them a good time, etc., BUT maybe not responsible or "husband material".

Also, I did get pretty much the same response that Elmo got fr the women i've met in colombia regarding reason dating a foreigner. Of course it's sterotype, but it's a sterotype that works to the advantage of foreign men, just like the sterotype that foreign women are easy. Which works to a foreign womens' advantage(local men will approach you more) and disadvantage(they expect you to put out sooner).

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Sep 24, 2004, 12:27:

there's no disagreement on why Colombian women, especially the ones from the lower stratas, would not accept a wealthy and stable gringo/foreign husband candidate, even when the individual were past his prime and not always very sincere about his assets and prospects back home.
The preferences are entirely a different story.
Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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caslug says on Sep 24, 2004, 12:56:

Of course, giving a choice a local girl(any country) would rather be w/ a local guy. afterall they share the same langauge, culture, etc., but in Colombia because of social-economic situation-poverty & sexism, the pool of acceptable guys(have decent job, decent looking, educated, respectful of his partner, etc.,) is low.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Sep 24, 2004, 13:18:

acceptable guys there's plenty of acceptable guys in Colombia, good-looking, educated, respectful of their partner, the problem is with the jobs. I read somewhere else in this forum that 30% of Colombian males were gay...I wonder if there's some statistics about the sexual preferences of the Colombian people in general. It's hard to believe, and even if Colombian women oftentimes say that all the good-looking guys are either players or gay, I have my doubts about that too.
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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caslug says on Sep 24, 2004, 14:15:

There's your problem j/k I feel sorry now for all those single colombian women because, they either have to compete against another MAN or DONKEY. And the ones that left don't have decent jobs. :-) No wonder us gringos/euros seem sooo attractive in theirs eyes, we prefer the company of women to other men of livestock and we are gainfully employed.

But seriously, I doubt that their are 30% of men are gays men in Colombia. In the US, I think it was between 5-15%, can't see why Colombia would be that different. BTW, women in US say a similiar thing, "all the good men are either married or gay".

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Sep 24, 2004, 15:15:

that's funny because I could never figure out why Colombian women would say such a thing..another example of cultural contamination:). Women in Scandinavia don't say anything like that, and yet, there are more gays here than in Colombia...
Anyway, too bad elmo has to quit the board because when he goes home his gobernadora doesn't allow him to use the computer. I think this disgusting donkey thing is another Colombian myth, nothing else.
Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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Miguel says on Sep 24, 2004, 16:40:

Deductive Reasoning Desi, I think that Elmo's gobernadora has nothing to do with him not posting at home; perhaps he only has access when at work. And the deal with 30% of colombianos being gay is such a farce; I have had colombian friends for over thirty years and they are as hetro as they come, and the women are equally interested in men (In my experience) As far as the age issue, it really depends on the people involved. My girlfriend (de Barranquilla) and I have a huge age difference but also have an afinity to learning each other's culture, language and suenos, and it is working quite well. Burros? Tienes preguntar Elmo! Suerte...

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Sep 24, 2004, 17:10:

not interested, really I think it's just a myth, just BS, at least what my Colombian friends say...but it's not important, I really couldn't care less.
You say there's a huge age difference, is she that much older than you?
No, I don't think it is true either about 30% Colombians being gay, I'd rather think it was just wishful thinking.
Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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mzzmerized says on Sep 24, 2004, 19:33:

about gay men in Colombia... when I lived in Cali it absolutely astounded me about the quantity of transvestites (and the fact that a lot of them looked more feminine than me!)...but what astounded me more was the fact that many Colombian men did not regard having sexual relations with them as having any bearing on their own sexuality...these "maricas" looked like women, dressed like women, acted like women (and apparently 'felt' like women)...it was a matter of who was giving and who was taking...you could NEVER suggest to a Colombian man that he was homosexual because he had sex with one of them...the transvstite was homosexual, yes, but not the man who was "giving it" to him...and in Colombia, it seems to me that homosexuaity is fiercely predicated on this transvestitism, that is, you won't have men who are obviously "macho" admitting that screwing a transvestite is a homosexual act...OK..el-mo..I know you can weigh in on this!!! Especially with your preoccupation with "el chiquito" je je je je

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utopiacowboy says on Sep 25, 2004, 21:29:

I consulted with my wife and her sons and they say that yes, guys in the country will in fact, do burros. They said that there was a belief that if a guy did it with a burro then his equipment would get longer as a result. As for the numbers of gay guys, I was very surprised when my wife would state that so many men she knew were homosexual - just like the numbers of widows, there seemed to be far more gay men than there were here. Of course it's all anecdotal.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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bogota says on Oct 5, 2004, 11:07:

Age Difference You and your wife are correct, proof of this is: visit any mall in any city, look around and you will see what age the women really prefer, almost all of them will be with men closer to their own age and not their fathers age. There is a "safe age range difference" but it's usually not 25-35 years difference. There are exceptions but you really need to be careful and take many things into consideration if you want a successful marriage that will not lead to divorce.

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calipro says on Oct 5, 2004, 21:58:

Personal experiance Maybe you have a point. I personally can't think of any good reason why women wouldn't prefer someone their own age. But, I'm 42 and I date 20 year old women in Cali all the time. It isn't hard to do and I'm always amazed at the absolute knock outs I end up with sometimes. I'm sure not promissing to marry any of them and I never buy them anything. So what's up with that!!

I do pick up the tab at lunch or dinner. Are they hungery like some have suggested. They certainly don't look like they are starving to me. Are they dating me on the outside chance I'll propose marriage and bring them to the states. There must be a lot of disappointed caleñas in Cali then;-))

Maybe caleñas prefer younger guys but will date us older less attractive guys when they don't have anything better to do. I guess the real question is why don't these beautiful young women have any thing better to do then go out with an old goat like myself?

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kat says on Oct 6, 2004, 01:17:

Happily Married Iam 36 my husband is 50 this year. We been happily married for 16 years and have two beautiful kids.and my love for him still is growing strong,we cant wait for the kids to leave home so we can enjoy ourselve more.

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utopiacowboy says on Oct 6, 2004, 16:41:

Have you ever asked the Calenas these provocative questions, Calipro? Personally I think they go out with you because you have a good sense of humor and know how to have a good time.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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heat says on Oct 6, 2004, 17:30:

calipro sorry but my bet is they are dating you with the off chance that you'll marry them and bring them to the states or just provide for them. i personally have no interest in dating some old geezer 20 years older than myself. i am starting to feel very sorry for these colombianas that are getting stuck with you old gringos! pobrecitas!

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utopiacowboy says on Oct 6, 2004, 17:45:

I am quite sure that any Colombiana who goes out with Calipro is under no illusions about his intentions. Some of them might be described as cute little mallrats. And you don't need to feel sorry for the young Colombianas with old gringos - they ditch them as soon as they are in the good old USA with that green card in hand.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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calipro says on Oct 6, 2004, 18:47:

Quit it !!! Now your starting to make me feel sorry for them. I really can't believe that they think I'm going to marry them. Well if I met them at a marriage agency I can understand it.

But, if you meet them just out and about, I can't see them thinking I would marry them. Well maybe they might hope I'd marry them. HeHeHe !!!

I have been know to "provide" for a caleña or two in my day but that only comes after a lot of unsolicited and uncompensated sex. Basically women that would crawl over broken glass to get into my bed.

I can't say that it happens as often as I would like but it does happen;-)

WOW !! Heat, just gave me a good idea!!

I wonder just how many caleñas I could get in the sack if I started lying to them and saying I was going to marry them:-0
It's not like I would be doing anything wrong if it's true what others have suggested that they are only going out with me for the shot at a green card.

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Barranquilla4life says on Oct 6, 2004, 18:59:

Any Experts on Colombian Women? FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE FOR THE ADVICE. THE GREEN CARD SEEMS TO BE AN ISSUE. I HAVE TALKED TO HER IN THE PAST AND TOLD HER THAT MY ULTIMATE PLAN IS TO RETIRE IN COLOMBIA. SHE KNOWS I HAVE BEEN MARRIED ONCE AND I AM IN NO RUSH TO GET MARRIED AGAIN. SHE HAS THREE SISTER ALL ARE MARRIED TO OLDER COLOMBIAN MEN, SO WHEN SOME OF YOU SAY AN OLD GINGO, I DO NOT THINK THAT APPLIES TO JUST US, THEY SEEM TO BE HAPPY WITH THERE OLD COLOMBIAN MEN TOO. JUST WANTED TO CLEAR A FEW THINGS OUT. HOW DID THE GAY THING COME INTO THIS? WELL KEEP THE ADVICE COMING.

THANK YOU

BARRANQUILLA 4 LIFE

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heat says on Oct 6, 2004, 21:24:

i refuse to take you seriously calipro. in fact, i now do not believe that you could bed a donkey let alone a bunch of 20 year-old colombianas crawling over glass for you. in your dreams! again, me personally, i would rather be poor, starving, and living in colombia than have to bed one of you old geezer-gringos. yuck!

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mark says on Oct 6, 2004, 23:23:

$500 for time in jail??? better to ask the authorities.. but i think that should be ok. make it into jewlery or something like that.

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caslug says on Oct 6, 2004, 23:28:

HEAT, WHY would u NOT believe a poster(Calipro)? Why would any poster need to lie on this board? Calipro has nothing to gain for lying. No one's trying to impress anyone here. This board is for people to share their experience in colombia, life, work, etc., If you don't believe him that's OK, that's your opinion, but you don't have to attack him.

"i now do not believe that you could bed a donkey let alone a bunch of 20 year-old colombianas"-heat

Billy Joel(pop singer) just married a 23 yr women, he's in his 50's. Just because u can't see yourself being w/ a much older guy, doesn't mean other women the feel the same way. Or do you profess to speak on behalf of ALL 20 something Colombianas knock-out? BTW, when I was Cali I had several attractive women flirting w/ me as I walk around the mall or casinos, all were 10-15 yrs younger than me. Or maybe I'm LYING too. ;-)

I could care less if Calipro dates women young or old, ugly or good-looking, at long as it's between consensual adult, what's the big deal. He didn't say ALL women, just a few that he encounter.

BTW, Even ELMO can get Donkey, so I'm sure Calipro won't have any problem getting one. :-)

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calipro says on Oct 7, 2004, 00:18:

Oh, Heat don't be a doubting Thomas !! "We all judge the world (others) by our own life experiances" Nem. 2004

It appears that you are not doing as well as I thought you were.

Until now I did think you could bed a donkey if not a bunch of 20 year old colombianas. HeHeHe !!! I guess our life experiances have lead us to two very different views of the world.

Anyway we do agree on one thing. I would rather be poor, starving and living in colombia than have to bed an old geezer-gringo (but I'm a straight american).

But how are we going to resolve this issue? I mean, am I really a dilusional old geezer that lives in a fantasy world were hot young women really enjoy jumping my bones or are you a pathetic loser that has struck out so many times with young women that you really do believe it is next to impossible to have a real relationship with one?

Hey I have an idea. I'll bring a hot 20 year old date to Pete's X-mas party. But, what will that prove? You could all speculate why she was with me (love, money, sex or green card).

I have a better idea. I'll bring a hot 20 something year old date to Pete's party and if you can get her phone number than I'll pay you $100 bucks and admitt that I'm living in a dream world. But if you can't, You'll have to admitt that you need a little help in the hot chick department.

Well, you may have already admitted that by having so many doubts about my relationship with younger women. How about you tell the board what a stud I am and you don't even have to pay me a hundred bucks because that would be to easy.

What do you say??

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elmodefoque says on Oct 7, 2004, 08:57:

There was a time when I was having trouble even bedding donkeys never mind young Colombian women, but as soon as they found out I was living in the USA all of the sudden I was a Ricky Martin “living la vida loca� in other words I believe "calipro". The only reason I married my then 22, now 27 years old paisa wife and 20years younger than me was that at the moment we met she knew nothing about me and was the only woman in Colombia outta the many years I’ve been going back for vacation to even give me the time of day. Sure, there were the neighborhood girls in their late teens and early 20 that came around my moms house to hang out with me and tell me what a fascinating, funny señor encantador I was, but that’s because they knew where I came from. I used to bang them and then come back to the USA, of course I new their interest in me was not sincere, but I bang them anyway and they got to go to clubs and dinners and drinks. They use me I bang them, even Stevens.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Oct 7, 2004, 09:02:

interesting.... "We all judge the world (others) by our own life experiances" Nem. 2004
Who are you quoting?
I thought heat was a girl.
I thought calipro was talking about the dream he had last night after the pay-up girl left his apartment.
Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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calipro says on Oct 7, 2004, 10:14:

I was quoting You ..... Why didn't I get the quote right? If not, don't tell me. It was one of the few things you have said that I actually agree with.

Maybe heat is a girl?? I thought heat was HEAT. You know the guy that lives in Cali and has been know to lash out at people unexpectedly. You know your friend and mine the one that labeled you "femi-nazi" on another board. Well it always causes confusion when someone uses the monkier of a real life person as opposed to a couch potato.

See you around Nemesis or Desi or whatever you want to call yourself today. I'm always the real and undisputed "calipro".

Oh! Were you hinting at wanting an invitation to the Christmas party in Cali? Consider yourself invited. However the real "HEAT" might be there. HeHeHe !!

Have a nice day.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Oct 7, 2004, 10:40:

talk about mixed-up identities...
No, I wasn't referring to your Christmas party, rather to your fantasies about "women crawling over broken glass". If I happen to be in Cali this Christmas I'd rather party with my Colombian friends, I think. :)
Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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caslug says on Oct 7, 2004, 10:47:

Calipro I believe Heat is a women, that's why she said she wouldn't sleep we a gold geezer like you. Being a women, she probably has no problem getting any other women's number-to do what women do together.. GO SHOPPING. ;-)

I agree that the questions should be, why don't those young hotties have anything better to do than go out w/ much older guys? I think the answer would come as no suprise to many women here.

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calipro says on Oct 7, 2004, 11:19:

Oh, really..... I do believe the answer would suprise many women here.

I have to admitt. I'm not the typical 42 year old guy with a 20 year old colombian girlfriend. But, I do think Desi or Heat(the couch potato) could learn a thing or two if they met us in person.

However from the post above I can see Desi is in no mood to put herself in a position that might challenge her perconceived notions about older guys and younger women.

It's all for the best I guess as I'm sure her colombian friends will cater to her insecurities and not challenge her beliefs especially around Christmas.

Well Desi the invitation still stands. But, I have to warn you most of the couples will be older guys with much younger wives and girlfriends. Some of them having lived together many years in the states and coming back to visit family and friends.

Just think about it. You could get the old goats wives and girlfriends to the side and find what they really think about their husbands and boyfriends. Please, don't tell me you already know !!

Of course the site of young hot caleñas with old geezer gringos might turn your stomach and you might have to leave in a rush. HeHeHe !!!

Anyway, Have a nice day all.

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Hunter says on Oct 7, 2004, 11:32:

Calipro The HEAT on this board is a girl, the HEAT off Caligringo who lives in Cali is a differant person, a guy in this case.

Although the Heat on this board wouldn't like him because he is a middle aged guy bedding many young Calenas.

Hunter

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elmodefoque says on Oct 7, 2004, 11:57:

Hey Calipro, how come I’m not invited to this party?
An old gizzards with young Colombian broad’s party sounds like an excellent idea. Let’s invite the heat girl, she hates old gizzards, she might just have a good time and end up falling in love with one of us
We could discuss the best way to survive following your young wife around a mall for 8 hours as she tries on every damn shoe in the place. .
For those older guys, we could discuss which pill works best Viagra or ciatal? And if they ever had that awful side effect, the one they talk about in the commercials, on what emergency steps to take in case your erection last more than 4 hours.
As far as pleasing my young potranca, what work best for me is dozen aguilas and a bottle of aguadiente and couple hits of… I dare not say, I might offend those Pablo and his poison hating folks.
We could also discuss what to do after those young broads leave our tired old butt and run away with a young broke ass hunk. My answer, get an even younger broad to replace her.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one. CURRAMBA, EL MEJOR VIVIDERO DEL MUNDO!

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heat says on Oct 7, 2004, 11:59:

lighten up caslug. i was being somewhat sarcastic, though you certainly can't condemn my remarks to some old guy that is proposing to lie to these poor girls to get them into bed with him. that is so not cool in my book. at least before he came up with that bright idea, he was being up front with them. in that case, i guess there’s not too much room, as utopiacowboy pointed out, to feel sorry for the colombianas. it sounds like each party has its own agenda thereby making it a nice match.

i am not speaking on behalf of all 20 year-old colombianas. my perspective is from that of an american female. it's probably safe to say, that in general, we (the beautiful & intelligent american female population) probably wouldn't be giving someone 20 years older the time of day. there are of course exceptions as you pointed out such as billy joel or that old guy that anna nicole smith married. however i’m not sure if anna nicole smith falls into the intelligent category and i have no idea who would marry billy joel since most of his music sucks (IMO) though i guess he does have a talent with the piano and i’m sure has some serious “coin� as well.

i do believe you when you say that you fellas are getting lots of nice “attention� there in colombia and i’m happy for you. i’m really not questioning that. if calipro says that young ladies are crawling over glass to get into bed with him, well then, so be it and good for him. i was simply trying to knock him down to earth a wee-wee bit and to let him know that if he were anywhere else this would not be happening. there’s no harm in that now is there? in all honesty, it was all in good fun. :)

calipro, unfortunately it doesn’t sound like i have knocked any sense into you at all. and no sugar, i am not a male couch potato or any kind of male for that matter. i am probably one of those hot chicks that you might dream about bedding down but found the thought of it highly humorous.

hunter, i don’t actually have a problem w/middle-aged men desiring, marrying, dating, or bedding young girls from cali as long as there is mutual respect involved.

desi – cheers!

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caslug says on Oct 7, 2004, 12:28:

Sarcastic is OK... But the wording of your post(remember we can't see facial expression to see if your joking or not) is not sacarstic, but juvenile. Which is why Calipro respond the way he did. His prior post was sacrastic. Your post now is very amicable vs your earlier ones, quite different tone and thank you for clarifying your intent.

BTW, I would say the same thing to someone that was calling you names just because they didn't believe your post.

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Roberto99 says on Oct 7, 2004, 12:59:

Very amicable but everyone here can see right through
to the core.

i am not speaking on behalf of all 20 year-old colombianas. my perspective is from that of an american female. it's probably safe to say, that in general,

we (the beautiful & intelligent american female population) probably wouldn't be giving someone 20 years older the time of day.
= Colombianas are not intelligent or as beautiful as american females. Something must be wrong with them.


there are of course exceptions as you pointed out such as billy joel or that old guy that anna nicole smith married.

however i’m not sure if anna nicole smith falls into the intelligent category
= I think Anna was extremely intelligent at being a gold digger.

and i have no idea who would marry billy joel since most of his music sucks (IMO) though i guess he does have a talent with the piano and i’m sure has some serious “coin� as well.
= Yes, if I were a woman the quality of his music would
reign supreme as one of my reasons to marry him.
= American women never consider how they could economically
profit from their husbands like Colombianas do.

i do believe you when you say that you fellas are getting lots of nice “attention� there in colombia and i’m happy for you
= Not!!!! Women here in the US just can't stand it.

i was simply trying to knock him down to earth a wee-wee bit and to let him know that if he were anywhere else this would not be happening
= Exactly, knock the chauvenist pig down!!
He's ours (US) and if we can't keep him in his place no
other women can have him.

i am probably one of those hot chicks that you might dream about bedding down but found the thought of it highly humorous
= Sorry kid, I don't think Calipro cares one whit who you are
as long as you are from the US.
Please get over it and let others live their lives.

hunter, i don’t actually have a problem w/middle-aged men desiring, marrying, dating, or bedding young girls from cali as long as there is mutual respect involved
= You absolutely do have a problem or you would not be
posting these thinly veiled comments.

in all honesty, it was all in good fun
= Ditto kid.

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heat says on Oct 7, 2004, 13:53:

good grief roberto99! i meant what I wrote and had no hidden interpretations running through my thread.

1) wrong. i did not mean “colombianas are not intelligent or as beautiful as american females. something must be wrong with them.� i meant that, in general, most american women would not be interested in someone 20 years older. and in general I totally believe that to be true. it is not the norm that you see a 20 year old dating a 40 year old. it happens, yes, but in general in the united states that is not the case.

2) with regards to anna nicole smith, well i guess you could be right on that one in a weird sort of way. i think she did end up with a load of cash so in that regard it was pretty smart ? (or manipulative) on her part though i firmly believe that there is more to life than just having bunches of money.

3) regarding my comment about Billy Joel – i was sort of trying to lighten it up a bit and that was kind of a joke. but as a matter of fact, music is very important to me. my husband is a sound engineer and we both love music. i probably would not marry someone that had no interest in music however, i would not go as far to say that i would choose a mate based on his musical preferences. as long as he did like music. but again I was really trying to just make light of it all. and sorry but no, i don’t really care for billy joel’s music.

4) wrong again. why would you think that american women can’t stand that american guys are getting attention in colombia? i have not noticed a “male shortage� here in the US? i’m sorry but that is just silly! (and kind of paranoid on your part.) perhaps you have been snubbed a couple times over by us? i don’t know but that comment did not make a whole lot of sense to me.

5) sorry but you’re wrong yet another time! like i am dying to have calipro living here in the US? hah! yeah right! frankly i could care less where he lived. i’m certainly not out to gather all you american men out there in colombia and bring them all back home to the good ole USA. again that comment is coming from some far out left field that i don’t understand.

i'm sorry robert99 if you interpreted my comments in some off-handed way. if i wanted to say all those things that you accuse me of “veiling� then i would have just said them! why would i write all of that and not want to make myself clear? my last post has obviously hit a nerve with you and in so doing i do apologize!

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caslug says on Oct 7, 2004, 14:15:

Now u know heat... why I try to watch what I write to make sure it doesn't come off as offensive(unless I meant for it too) and try not to use strong provacative statement unless I'm prepare for a war of words. Because inevitably it deginerates to what it is now. Remeber the Peira post, that was some nasty stuff thrown back & forth.

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Rikito says on Oct 7, 2004, 14:18:

roberto99 I am an American male and I have little regards in general for American women. For the most part American women are selfish, self centered, narcissistic beings who believe that the population of earth revolves around them. They believe that they are the saviors of womanhood and that all men are merely superfluous to their existence. Intellectually they are parochial, physically most have poor figures thinking the nubile look is hot, and sexually they are mops.

I have found the Colombian woman as near perfect as there is and I have worked and lived all over the world. I would not trade my fiancé for anything or anyone...especially an American woman.

American women need to know and understand that they are not God’s gift as difficult as it will seem. They are just a token and not a very good one.

Whew, that felt good!!

It is not life that matters, but the journey.

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caslug says on Oct 7, 2004, 14:25:

Oh...Oh.. Let the war of words begin!! Just when we thought this thread is going to died down, another contender get's in the ring...

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heat says on Oct 7, 2004, 14:26:

thanks caslug. i have taken note!

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mzzmerized says on Oct 7, 2004, 14:27:

Well, Rikito What you say about American women holds true for American men too, BUT you guys can travel to developing countries with your greenbacks and green cards and have women falling all over and you think it is because of your attractiveness or your charming personality. Get real, it's a trade-off, but if it works for both parties fine! Just don't delude yourself into thinking it's anything but that.

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caslug says on Oct 7, 2004, 14:34:

A funny story... I read on another board about a well travel american male, who made this interesting observation...

Many american women feel that american men(stereotype) are not romantic, slobs, boring, non-passionate, etc., but they(american women) find latin men more romantic, passionate(latin-lover), sweet talking, macho, etc., He propose an international trade, US women for SA women, everybody would be happy.

Or even US women for French women, ladies I hear the french male are quite a catch, especially w/ the accent.

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Roberto99 says on Oct 7, 2004, 14:43:

Misjudged you I thought you were one of those!!!
Sorry but your words sure did sound like
you were one of those!!
Their out there you know. Many many of them.
While on vacation to Ecuador I had conversations
with a few.

Hats off to you!!
(No need for apologies. I guess I must)
(have misjudged your true intentions.)

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Roberto99 says on Oct 7, 2004, 14:51:

Fantastic idea Except I personally would rather have that
exchange be US men for SA men.
I have my heart set on living in Latin America
for more reasons than the women.
Right now the winner is Colombia.
That could change but it seems dubious.

French? Please God nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnooooooooo!!!!

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heat says on Oct 7, 2004, 15:13:

gracias roberto99 i appreciate your last post.

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Roberto99 says on Oct 7, 2004, 15:23:

May not be their fault I truly believe that the attitudes of
a majority of women here in the US are
not their fault.
They have been fed propaganda from the
feminist front for so long they can't help
being affected.
I would never consider the kind of women I work
with for any relationship.
They have exposed their true character numerous times and it
is not pretty.

They have gained a *quasi-equality* with men here in
the US, but at what cost?
They have become all you say Rikito!!!!
(Not all mind you, my sisters are true gems.)
(But like me they have Latina blood, are easy going,)
(fun to be with, humble, caring, etc.........)

I truly think the US has become the Great Spoiler of
not only women but men, family and society in general.
No wonder the Iraqis want us out as soon as possible.

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gringosalsero says on Oct 7, 2004, 15:47:

Pretty Satisfied Myself I landed a Colombiana who has a degree in accounting and a CPA from Colombia..........so the greenback gringo walks away with one of colombias finest!! Gracias

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heat says on Oct 7, 2004, 16:01:

rikkito luckily i do not have such low regard for my american male counterpart. i am married to one and have many male american friends as well as four brothers and hold them in the highest esteem.

for obvious reasons i sure am glad you prefer colombian women!!!! talk about a provincial intellect!

signed yours truly,

God’s Perfect Gift and the Savior of Womanhood :)

p.s. whew! that felt good!

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gringosalsero says on Oct 7, 2004, 16:03:

Well Said Take Care Heat

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calipro says on Oct 7, 2004, 16:06:

Holy Shit !! I mean Holly Roller. I wonder if Heat would be flattered that you are using his old monkier?

Well little heat you can't call colombianas "pobrecitas" and make statements like this: "my bet is they are dating you with the off chance that you'll marry them and bring them to the states or just provide for them" with out implying that colombianas are gold digging green card sharks.


And, mzzmerized you can't make statements like this:

"you guys can travel to developing countries with your greenbacks and green cards and have women falling all over and you think it is because of your attractiveness or your charming personality. Get real"

Without calling colombianas money grubbing whores in the same breath.

So which is it? You can't have your cake and eat it to!!

I'm not going to get into the all american women are a bunch of narsistic personalities debate. Who cares!!

But I do think it is funny that they all seem to think women in other countries are some how like themselves. Nothing could be further from the truth. Yes, I know it's hard for you to believe but younger colombian women and older guys can have mutually pleasurable relationships without any regrets on the young woman's part.

I particularly liked the diversion of my analogy about crawling over broken glass as somehow being a fantasy of mine. HeHeHe !!

Let me use it in a different context that others might find equally offensive.

I think Bush supporters would crawl over broken glass to get to the polls on election day as opposed to Kerry supporters. However my fantasy is that Kerry would actually win. HeHeHe !!!

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Roberto99 says on Oct 7, 2004, 16:27:

Your welcome why would you think that american women can’t stand that american guys are getting attention in colombia?
= Because I have talked to a few and most get
extremely irritated about men going abroad for wives/girlfriends.
(All except one woman from Sierra Leone. She agrees)
(whole heartedly that non US women are much better
(but she wants me to remain here in the US. Yechh!! I don’t.)
(But then again she believes all African men are worse.)

i have not noticed a “male shortage� here in the US? i’m sorry but that is just silly! (and kind of paranoid on your part.) perhaps you have been snubbed a couple times over by us?
= There you go, sounding like one of those!!!
(Sounds like a jab at my male ego?)
(No fight intended, let's talk)
= Every man/woman has been snubbed if they live in this
world. Not my problem.
(There must be something wrong with me if I'm searching for
something better/different than a US woman?)
Remember, I said sounds like. If this is not true, correct me!!

= Here is the most recent of my problems
Met a woman (not particularly beautiful, but fair)
with 4 children, divorced, alone and hungry for a
relationship. Spent 2 1/2 years with her.
Over that time she changed little by little to what
Rikito is talking about.
Children unruly – I worked with her (more like forced her)
to make changes. (Clean up bedrooms, not have sex with
some little tramp at 16, etc… things like that.
Spend quality time actually being a true father to her little
6 year old son. Her own mother
thanked me for the things I did for her children.)
Soon she is gaining weight rapidly. Anything she wanted to do I did.
Went to the hockey game (Don’t like hockey but I went), Went to some
mystery play, etc….. And all this with a smile on my face trying to make The best of each time we spent together.
You know whats next, right?? Things I wanted to do – nada.
We’re talking small walks at night, going to a restaurant I like, A REAL Biggie – taking her and her 3 boys fishing. Not on your life!!!
Soon I am responding to her requests, “I don’t want to but I will�.
Thought she would see the difference in my attitude compared to hers.
Nope!!!

Women like this have been my bane. I’m a nice guy. US women really don’t want nice guys. Nice guys finish last with US women.
(Remember my ex-girlfriend’s husband went from being Baptist to Wicca witch.)
(She forgave his infidelity with prostitutes, accompanied him to California where one women was having his baby aborted, etc……..)
(After 15 years of marriage he got out. Now I know why!!!!)
No more……..

Label me the same as women who choose men that beat them over and over.
Get the idea?
My sisters (remember Latina blood) are just the opposite, completely.
They give and give and give.
My problem has been my parents fooled me into thinking I’m white.
Big news!! I’m not. My mother never taught me Spanish, almost all my
friends, all my girlfriends have been white US native born.

My life is a changin........

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caslug says on Oct 7, 2004, 16:44:

The Few & the Proud - THE GRINGOS! As a American male, I've been trained from my teenage years to now on how to "woo" the highly elusive - American female. Training in teh US is both difficult & highly realistic, 2nd place in US is a night at home on Saturday night. In the US, you have to have your Sh*t together to when going out w/ an American gal. You gotta be more presentable, charming, smart, funny, etc., than the most guy or else you'll get pumped for the next guy in line.

Now put this highly trained and tone(pot belly notwithstanding) in Colombia. He'll be like kid w/ allowance in a candy store, everything is available!! Because, local competition is not as experienced and trained as you(the few and the proud - GRINGO). So your game goes alot further than in the US. ;-)

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Roberto99 says on Oct 7, 2004, 17:09:

Yes luckily i do not have such low regard for my american male counterpart. i am married to one and have many male american friends as well as four brothers and hold them in the highest esteem.

for obvious reasons i sure am glad you prefer colombian women!!!! talk about a provincial intellect!

signed yours truly,

God’s Perfect Gift and the Savior of Womanhood :)

p.s. whew! that felt good!


See! It really does bother some women!!!

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Roberto99 says on Oct 7, 2004, 17:31:

OK Forgive me HEAT All this is not directed towards you personally.
Believe me, some of your words are extremely
provoking for me.
(And of course you wouldn't understand because you are not)
(a man in my shoes. There are many of us around.)
I have not thought through nor properly processed every
emotion on this subject.
I guess you could categorize me along with the women
who have been cheated on by men and are extremely angry
against the whole male sex.
I'm working on it.
One thing I know, my destiny lies outside the US in
a Spanish speaking country, with a woman I can trust and
who is like my sisters/mother.

I really care deeply about the women in Colombia.
To this end I place my future at their doorstep.
Many wonderful women in Colombia have no future in marriage.
Their only crime is to be a little too old or heaven forbid
have one child (in or out of wedlock).

I would think that as a woman you would agree that if a US man
(old and wounded as he may be) found a way to recover some of his
youth and provided love, attention, marriage etc.. to a woman in Colombia with little chance of marriage you would be all for it.
Without the jabs at his precious male ego.
(Don't all women love to rationalize about our egos)
(like men should have no feelings.)

What's your answer??

Anyway I'm out of this discussion. It was fun and rewarding.

Let's get busy talking/arguing about some other aspect
of Colombia. I have much to learn. (So says Litost)

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heat says on Oct 7, 2004, 17:41:

roberto99 i have already told a few of my husband’s single friends about the plethora of ladies available to them in colombia. i have no problem with men looking to other countries for mates. as long as everyone is respectful and loving I don’t have a problem with it. my husband’s friends are all incredibly kind, loving gentlemen so i know they would be excellent husbands or boyfriends.

i was not implying that there is something wrong with you if you are going to a country outside the US to find a mate. my personal feeling, as in the case with some of mine or my husband’s single friends, is that it is hard here in the US just meeting people. i figure at least if you go abroad, male or female, it seems like you get special attention for being foreign. and as caslug kindly pointed out american men know very well the art of “wooing�.

please bear in mind that you responded to some of my responses for mr. calipro. you seem like a good person with good intentions roberto99, but i’m not sure that is the case with calipro. and I stand by what I said earlier to him that if he was in the US he would not be getting attention from a bunch of 20 year-old hotties. (maybe calipro can jump in here at this juncture and answer this question for us.) am I implying that there is something “wrong� with him? No. my point was that in general, here in the US, younger women are not interested in men that are 20 years older.

i still don’t quite understand your comments to me as in this very last post regarding my response to rikkito. did you think that I was bothered that he prefers colombian women? sorry sugar but you are so not getting my point. obviously no matter what I say you have your belief about me and well I’m not going to turn myself blue in the face to convince you otherwise. if you did not “get� my response to rikkito then I think I’m about done here.

it seems to me that you are fine with men saying completely derogatory things about american women (as it apparently is your belief as well) and with people like calipro that talk about colombianas like they were pieces of meat. But if I, a woman, have any comment at all to try to stand up for herself I am just “one of those�.

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calipro says on Oct 7, 2004, 18:01:

Well if I might jump in....... I never felt that you were implying that there was something wrong with me because as you put it I wouldn't be getting a lot of attention from 20 year old hotties here in the states. Actually I wouldn't characterize 20 year old hotties in colombia that way either but that's just me.

I do feel however that YOU insulted young colombian women in general with your statement that they were dating me in hopes of getting a green card. That is just plain not true and an unfair generalization. But, I understand you have a need to put colombianas down as money hungry green card sharks or women that just want to be provided for (or just want a meal ticket). Why is that??

You know heaty. You could put american guys down all day long on this board and I'm not sure I would even bother to respond. It's when you imply that colombianas are some how inferior or of low moral character that you really piss me off.

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caslug says on Oct 7, 2004, 19:00:

OK heat, I the tell u the gringo secret to dating in COL... Most of us(American male) that travel to Colombia are not your average joe, we tend to be,

1) have some money(airfare & hotel ain't free) and willing to spend it(why go on vacation to save money right?)
2) somewhat adventurous(have some balls), it's Colombia afterall not Hawaii
3) probably educated either via academic institution or school of life, that's how came into some money(some more than others)
4) we're "exotic" to a certain degree, because they don't see many foreigners let alone Americans
5) most of us have a sense of culture, which is why we like to travel
6) we're on vacation so we tend to be relax and friendly, they're not seeing us back home where maybe we're stress about work or taxes
7) we're fun(see #6) and more than willing to show someone a good time
8) many of us have a decent game(trained in the US, remember)
9) we're generous, pay dinner, drinks, etc., because of a) #1 and b) great exchange rate.
10) usually openminded&individualistic(we certainly not into groupthink or lemmings), you're rarely see groups 4-5 gringos(fratboy pack) walking together.

Now of course i'm not saying women throw themselves at us, now we get that elusive first date alot. BUT, just like any owmen in world, if you disrespect or treat them badly, they'll drop you(gringo or no gringo). Most women will not be with you JUST for MONEY(in colombia or otherwise), so if a person is implying that's the ONLY reason, it's wrong. Of course, there's no denying that it plays a role. But then again, I don't see too many attractive, intelligent, educate women in the US going out with poor/uneducated/unemploy guys either.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Oct 8, 2004, 10:10:

I thought I'd stay out of this....but just can't help myself:(
caslug, are you saying that basically the gringo bride-shoppers in Colombia are the elite, the cream of the crop of the gringo males? I'm not saying that just you, or anybody else writing here could not be all that you say, and if that's the case, I'm happy for the Colombianas that you meet; however, that changes the whole picture of what I had in my mind of the western men pursuing to marry third-world women. The gringos must then be a totally different breed than the Scandinavian or German men who travel to Thailand or Philippines, or even to Russia, Poland or any East European country to find a bride or girlfriend. These men are more often than not, men who have failed to establish a meaningful relationship with the women of their own people, often bachelors and with limited social skills.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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heat says on Oct 8, 2004, 10:10:

caslug yes, i would agree with you on the above points. that definitely is true for the male travelers that i know personally and have met while traveling.


calipro, roberto99 & rikkito - cheers!

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heat says on Oct 8, 2004, 10:18:

Desi i don’t think caslug was talking about the gringo bride shopper but the actual american traveler. there is a difference. i have encountered both types on this board and while traveling.

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cintiamay says on Oct 8, 2004, 10:24:

For the under-represented (but seemingly well defined) minority If I or my novio were to believe all the stuff written in this forum regarding Colombian Men and American Women, then we would definitely be out chasing those wonderful people of the opposite sex in our own country and not bothering with each other. Because I would be an elitist, money hording, parochial, fat & plastic, sexless mop with hairy pits and he would be a penniless, cheating, no-job having mami’s boy chasing after any tail he could find.
Damn, we would suck! =D

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caslug says on Oct 8, 2004, 11:22:

Desi My description is a "sterotype" of the individual travellers who likes to travel to off-the-beaten track places that doesn't have the ameneties of a safe tourist location(ie, Hawaii, Cancun, CTG, etc.,). NOT BRIDE SHOPPER... OR ELMO, of course since ELMO speaks fluent Spanish and can blend in more, he knows what he can get away it more so than non-Spanish speaking Traveller. In those places like Cancun, Hawaii, Thailand, CTG., etc., you MIGHT find more of the typical UGLY AMERICAN.

American(Foreign) travellers TAHT have great things to say about our experience in COL, are more likely to fit my profile. The AMERICANS&FOREIGNERS I've meet in COL, tend to be well behave and respectful. I think we can agree that COL is NOT a country that you can be loud, obnoxious, disrepect local people or customs. Because, it wouldn't be good for you health, and you won't have a good experience. So for those that ARE UGLY AMERICAN, I apologize for not including you in my above PROFILE. :-)

I noticed talking w/ other travellers and friends who do, that the KEY to a GOOD travel experience is: respect everyone(from the maid to your dates), obey the local laws, & be polite&generous. COL will weed out the good traveller from the bad very quickly, because if you're a UGLY AMERICAN(bride-shopper or not) you will NOT have a good time and propably morel likely to have something go wrong. A little respect and courtesty goes A LOOONG way in COL.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Oct 8, 2004, 11:41:

why yes, caslug no, that's not what I was thinking, but probably it's because I haven't come across with too many of that "stereotype" in Colombia. I doubt that I would have fitted in any of your two very distinctive stereotypes, or for that matter, any stereotype.
I agree, of course, that the social skills you've described make a good traveller, anywhere in the world, of any nationality or origin. I apologize if you think I'm being too sceptical; it's not that often people (male or female) display that kind of openess and receptivity to foreign cultures. Most people tend to run comparisons rather randomely with the result that their own culture and country comes always on the top.
...heat..if you're unholy like calipro seems to think, give me a wink:)
cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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caslug says on Oct 8, 2004, 12:07:

Many American... Never travelled abroad or know a second langauge, we tend to be more conservative in our travel experience than Europeans(we tend like safer/convenient places). I guess it's because, Europeans are expose to different countries/culture much more so than Americans(we only share border w/ Canada&Mexico). Remember that America has always had a underlining history of isolationism and conservatism. Which leads every now and then to American Gov't or Individual coming off as UGLY AMERICANS(arrogance, rude, disrespectful, etc.,).

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Oct 8, 2004, 14:00:

and yet this has not always been so. The US of America was founded by dissidents and the constitution plus the amendments were drawn on quite revolutionary principles. There have been a number of extremely liberal gringo writers, thinkers, philosophers and poets, and during a period in the history your country was actually a leader in social development and civilian rights and liberties in the world. It all feels like a fanatsy right now...but I'm not getting into it, that's a subject for another discussion, another board, another thread.
I'd suspect that the great majority would fall somewhere in the between of these two extremes, being neither the traditional "ugly american" nor the "enlightened traveller". I have close ties with gringos (family ties) and we enjoy these discussions very much, however, our points of view are drifting further and further apart as time goes by.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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daver says on Oct 8, 2004, 14:28:

Wow... the stuggle to generalize Americans!

My advice, don't!

The USA is too big and too varied to generalize it and her people. Besides, its 50 little countries united by a flag. From someone working on an oil rig in Alaska, to an executive in NYC, to porn star in LA, to a tobacco farmer in Kentucky, you will see that Americans have very little in common with each other. How could you possibly generalize them??

Dave

PS. Desi... I like the comment "great majority would fall somewhere in the between of these two extremes". I want to meet the few who fall outside of the "extremes"! LOL! OK, you're one of the most intelligent people on this site, so I'll let that one slide!!

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Oct 8, 2004, 14:39:

:) daver you're a real sweetheart. It's getting late here....
cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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calipro says on Oct 8, 2004, 14:52:

A revealing thought.... "caslug, are you saying that basically the gringo bride-shoppers in Colombia are the elite, the cream of the crop of the gringo males? I'm not saying that just you, or anybody else writing here could not be all that you say, and if that's the case, I'm happy for the Colombianas that you meet; however, that changes the whole picture of what I had in my mind of the western men pursuing to marry third-world women. The gringos must then be a totally different breed than the Scandinavian or German men who travel to Thailand or Philippines, or even to Russia, Poland or any East European country to find a bride or girlfriend." = SARCASIM AND LOW OPINION OF MEN.

"These men are more often than not, men who have failed to establish a meaningful relationship with the women of their own people, often bachelors and with limited social skills." = HATES MEN THAT PERFER WOMEN OUTSIDE THE FEMENIST CULTURE.

Nemesis aka Desideria = FEME-NAZI

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caslug says on Oct 8, 2004, 15:13:

Yes I would suspect more Americans are traveling abroad now than in the past. Of course they're hitting safer locations vs COL, the americans(and foreigner) that come to Colombia(outside of CTG) are not your typical hawaiin shirt/kid-in-tow/camera toting tourist you find in Hawaii, Cancun, Ozz, Thailand, Italy, etc.,

Anyway, back to the original point that why guys(american or otherwise) that fit the profile above tend to have an easier time attracting women in COL and many other places. Some have have it more than others.

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calipro says on Oct 8, 2004, 15:21:

daver the dog OK, you're one of the most intelligent people on this site
:) daver = beaten down male dog looking for pat on the head.

Author: Desideria

you're a real sweetheart.= pat on the head for feme-nazi dog.

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Kaenan says on Oct 8, 2004, 15:27:

DOn't usually post here but thought I would stick my 2Cents in for once. How can U generalize about American men o American woman? The country is way too big and diverse. Are U forgetting that she is the land of immigrants? The post about AMerican women is specially laughable. Daver you are also right about Desideria. The lady rocks!

Calipro = CLOWN = BOZO

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daver says on Oct 8, 2004, 15:45:

Calipro,

Your talented use of insults and equal signs has shed a new light on my opinions. Desi = stupid. Calipro = the new smart guy of the site.

Now what am I? Am I still a dog? Is Desi still a femme-nazi lesbo? Please, someone pet me on the head!

Daver = goodbye

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caslug says on Oct 8, 2004, 16:21:

quick to anger... Man, a few posters here, men AND women are quick to take offense, rightly, wrongly, perceived or not. This thread initally was just talking the Large(10-20yrs)age difference between Men(mostly foreign) & Women in COL. Calipro put a fairly unprovocative post about HIS PERSONAL EXP,

"I personally can't think of any good reason why women wouldn't prefer someone their own age. But, I'm 42 and I date 20 year old women in Cali all the time. It isn't hard to do and I'm always amazed at the absolute knock outs I end up with sometimes. I'm sure not promissing to marry any of them and I never buy them anything. So what's up with that!!"

Then gets flamed by HEAT in what she thought was a funny post and responded with her sacrastic/funny response. That then start the back&forth crap. Between both SOME men AND SOME women. Most of us fairly openmind and moderate, view like ALL women are FEMNAZI or ALL Gringo ARE BRIDE-SHOPPING SEX MANIAC are extreme sterotype. Well maybe not the "sex maniac" part. LOL.

Of course, some of the mud that's being fling back and forth is pretty funny sh*t.

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calipro says on Oct 8, 2004, 22:13:

OK daver You're not a dog anymore.

But, Desi is still a femme-nazi. She has a long history of this type of ideology on another board. I'm afraid she would take years of therapy to rid herself of those demons. HeHeHe !!!

To tell you the truth I'm not sure it could be done.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Oct 9, 2004, 00:36:

calipro, your slandering and name-calling tactics are not going to work here. This is a different board; after caligri made me a mod in caligringo the board just got too boring for you and your cronies since the only thing you wanted to do was to fight with each others and talk bad about women from US and Europe. (Plus boast of your conquests with young caleñas...) Don't bring this ugly residue from that now-disappeared board to this one!
I'm not going to write ten paragraps trying to convince you that I'm neither a feminist or have a low opinion about men. I don't really care that much for your good opinion of me. Men around me (my family, friends, workmates, relatives) know that it's not true. That's enough for me.
Yes, I admit freely that I do have some reservations about sex tourism and bride-shopping tours that some men (regardless of nationality) conduct in less-developed countries. Does that make me a feminist? Or a nazi? I wonder....

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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calipro says on Oct 9, 2004, 16:56:

Actually Desi...... Heat (unholy roller) drug the ugly residue from the other board to this one and from your own admission you couldn't help but jump in.

I don't think that I have ever said anything negative about american or western european women. Unless you count the fact that I have openly stated that I prefer to have relations with colombian women. Please, don't go on one of your rants about how guys that prefer women outside of their cultures are social degenerates. I heard quite enough of that on the other board.

Thanks for not writing ten paragraghs to try and convince me that you are not a feminist or have a low opinion of men. In fact you shouldn't have wasted one sentence on the matter. Because you are a feminist and you show your bias at every turn including and not limited to your lumping of sex tours and marriage agency tours into the same catagory. I personally don't know of any tours to colombia were sex is a part of the package. Do you?

It's not your fault that you have a lower opinion of men as compared to colombian women for instance. You have obviously been enculturated into a feminist culture as well as most of the men on this board and as I was. I'm happy to say that I have since escaped.

Yes it's true colombian men in general have a much higher opinion of themselves when it comes to women than american men do. Forget your little group of colombianas that have been feeding you disinformation all these years and start taking a good hard look at colomibain guys.
They are ten times more confident in their ability to attract, have a relationship, bed or even find a spouse than the average american male and with good reason.

Why do you think that would be? Colombians are much different than their american counter parts. The bottom line is colombianas are typicaly much more interested in men in general. Add rich gringo and you have a sure reciepe for "culture shock". When you add money into the mix you will attract women that want to get married and it doesn't matter if you are a colombiano or americano. Most, Colombian women are traditional in their views of marriage. Marriage has a purpose. It is to maintain a home and raise a family. The idea of marrying someone just for the sake of love is not the norm. They marry guys that they LOVE and that can PROVIDE for a family which is much the way things were here in the states up to about the late 1950's. If colombianas just married for the sake of love they would all be married by the age of 18. They love and they love alot.

Dating is easy in Cali. I know I'm not the typical 42 year old guy. I don't have a beer gut and I'm in great shape but I'm not a pretty boy either. But, nothing could have prepared me for the "culture shock" of dating in Cali. It is so easy to get a date. When I ask a girl to go out on a date here in the states I feel like I'm really asking her if she would like to have sex with me. That is what I believe women here think in general. Colombian women are just so much more relaxed about dating. I don't know if they think that you want to have sex with them but just don't care or what. But, it is just so much easier to go out with them and just enjoy each others company. Sex or no sex. It could be that they are just so incredibly sociable.

We all heard caslug say that he feels like Brad Pitt when he is in Colombia and his rationalization of why he feels that women are more attracted to him there. Basically it boils down to his belief that women find him more attractive because he is precieved as a rich american.

Maybe he really is as ugly as he implies and that plays more of role for him than most. But, it completely ignores the fact that ugly old colombianos still have a much easier time getting laid than the ol' greezers here in the states. My guess is that he was raised in a feminist culture (thus has a lower opinion of himself than the average colombiano) and that colombianas actually do find him more attractive than women do in the states, rich or not.

I'm 42 and certainly no Brad Pitt. But, I go out with beautiful women in their early 20's all the time in Cali. It might have taken 20 or 30 dates with younger caleñas to figure out that I wasn't inherently unattractive to young women just because I was older. I'm not the smartest guy in the world but I bet it didn't take me much more than 30 dates with young hot caleñas without any talk of marriage or giving of gifts (like some dumb gringos do) to realize that I could please a much younger woman sexually and that we could both enjoy each others company.

I'm not suggesting that all guys should go to Colombia to find themselves a wife or girlfriend unless of course they are somewhat unsatisfied with their current situation. There are risks. At first you will undoubtly be more satisfied sexually with your young lover and end up feeling like a king living with a woman that thinks about her man before all else. But, inevitably you will think about how you have wasted most of your life in a feminist dominated relationship which can lead to a little depression. Be carefull !!
HeHeHe !!!!

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daver says on Oct 9, 2004, 17:23:

Oh Calipro, come on! You're someone who can't get laid in the US, and can get laid in Colombia! You did not escape feminism, you just went to Cali.

I guess I am in the same feminist culture you speak of, and I know guys here who get more action than I get oxygen. Are these girls feminist because they wouldn't sleep with me? Then why are they all having sex with 2 of my best friends every weekend?

I could never score whenever I felt like it, like some guys can, but I knew better than to blame it on the women. You said its easier for a Colombian man... I don't know, like I said there are a lot of guys in the USA and Canada and Europe who can get girls at the snap of their fingers. These guys never go to Colombia though to find women.

You're the type a guy who would call a girl a "slut" if she slept with everyone, and call the same girl a "bitch" if she slept with everyone but you. (or maybe you'd call her a femme Nazi)

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, and that is why it is easier for us Gringos in Colombia. In Canada, anytime we met an Australian girl, we would line up to hit on her...