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tomtom33 says on Aug 6, 2005, 05:14:

Illini offensive? I always thought so. But then I am a Badger.

Cheeseheads rule!

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fill says on Aug 6, 2005, 09:11:

pretty sick of "pc" myself

fill

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utopiacowboy says on Aug 6, 2005, 09:24:

So George W. is responsible for this crap? No, you can thank your liberal buddies on the left for this nonsense.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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rjstuff says on Aug 6, 2005, 09:42:

Hey UTC - us liberals propose doing away with Indian names, Animal names and only using Names of beers from now on! The Miami Aguilas and the Denver Coronas etc. etc. etc. jejeje

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Mr. Hollywood says on Aug 6, 2005, 10:10:

It's just football I know some people take college sports seriously but you really think you'd rather deal with problems lik guerillas, death squads, mass displacement, children begging in the street, murder and rampant corruption to avoid a little collegiate Political Correctness?

P.C. has been going on since the dark ages when I was in college. It's just one of those phases college kids go through (like the 6-month-long attempt at vegetarianism and freshman year lesbianism). Oh, and by the way, political correctness exists on Colombian campuses, too.

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Michael_B says on Aug 6, 2005, 11:34:

I guess the point is that we have been using these names for more than a century, now a handful of winey asses decide that it is not good for the university to use a tribal name. That is crap !!! I am half cherokee and I am not offended, as a matter of fact they should be happy that they are even represented. Would the mass majority of the population even know there was a indian tribe called the Illini or Seminoles ? I think not. We had a tribe in Illinois that the Kickapoo tribe. Outside a street in my home town, nobody ever heard of them. I guess the University of Illinois did not want to be the Kickapoos, perhaps it would have made it too easy for the compitition. Just my 2 cents

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Mr. Hollywood says on Aug 6, 2005, 12:09:

A handful of whiney asses? Somehow I doubt the NCAA caved under to only a "handful of whiney asses."

Personally, I can see why native americans would be offended by names like "The Redskins," which is kind of like having a team called "The honkies", and I have a much harder timing seeing why they'd be offended by a team called "The Seminoles." The only other ethnic name I can think of that's attached to a sports team is the "Fighting Irish" which makes me wonder why the fascination with native american names in the first place.

I do know from a completely different realm that native Americans do find it offensive when their ethnic and tribal names are attached to consumer products and I can understand why. I don't think other ethnic groups would stand idly by if they named the next baseball expansion team the "Detroit Dagos" or if Mazda came out with the Mazda Arab.

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BAQ says on Aug 6, 2005, 14:59:

yep You can have America and all it's PC bullsh*t. That is ONE reason I am happy living in Colombia. Don;t get me wrong, I love my country but I HATE what it is becoming, nothing but a bunch of thin skinned candy asses who think they are "Entitled".

Semper Fidelis !

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rjstuff says on Aug 6, 2005, 16:32:

Gringo you need to train your dog to piss on the right thing - On a bush! jajaja

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Michael_B says on Aug 6, 2005, 18:48:

Hey BAQ "I love my country but I HATE what it is becoming, nothing but a bunch of thin skinned candy asses who think they are "Entitled"."

With that you hit the nail squarely on the head.

1.Thin skinned...can u give me an amen !
2.Candy asses...Like those afraid to travel to Colombia !
3.Those who think they are "Entitled.....


I think the only groups you left out were the Tree huggers and the PETA members.

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Michael B says on Aug 6, 2005, 20:27:

The college I graduated from was founded in 1851 and was orginally called 'Cherokee National Female Seminary' (although today it is open to men and women and all races......their sport teams' name? 'Redmen'. The college I used to teach at (a million years ago, in my previous life) at one time claimed that more American Indians have attented it than all other US colleges (combined? or one-on-one? That part I can't remember).....their teams' name? 'Warriors'.....none of the Indians at those two schools that I was aware of (and beleive me, there were plenty) seemed to take any offense. Personally, I'm not in to sports, couldn't care less, if I had a free ticket to a game, I'd give it away. However, isn't the idea of naming a sport team supposed to be to use a name that instills pride and show strength, skill and bravery? How can those attributes be 'offensive'?

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tomtom33 says on Aug 7, 2005, 07:25:

Minnesota Vikings I'm half Norwegian. I am offended.

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Lostgringo says on Aug 7, 2005, 09:16:

strenght and bravery Michael you have summed all this up very well. But here is another take on this foolishnes. You, it seems, are not racist. Therefore you look upon these names as reprenting something good. On the outher hand, the persons wanting to change these names are themselves racist. Therefore the names mean something completly different to them.

I think many Americans have either blood related "native status" or at least heve come in touch with North American natives in a positive way. I remember attending a Powwow in Canada with a few young natives. I worked in a halfway house at the time with Young Offenders.

What struck me as most interesting is that the natives of the US were so proud of who they were. There were mostly teenagers at this event..they were playing basketball. During the intermission, some of the young men went over to a stereo they had and played some Rap music. What followed was amazing. The all started to dance like in a Powwow to the music. The kids with me were totally amazed..their mouths dropped and their eyes were fixated on these boys.

At that time Canadian natives were just starting to advance themselves in terms learning their culture and having pride in themselves. Canadians I think, are still behind according to Natives in the US. Bottom line, and I think Michael would agree...you take away all of these wonderful and meaningful names away for teams and you take away some of the "good" history regarding Native Americans.

What's next..take away "Bulls" because it offends Animal rights..what about the Chicago Black Hawks? Bloody foolishness if you ask me. Like GIB mentioned these idiots have too much time on their hands. I said Idiot GIB didn't lol.

The lobbyist have stopped smoking in the bars in Canada. Most are empty now and owners have steadly being losing money. They will soon be able to stop you smoking on the street and next in your own home. Makes you wonder sometimes just how free we really are..................

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Lostgringo says on Aug 7, 2005, 09:18:

grammer sorry for all grammer errors I just got up...

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kernow62 says on Aug 7, 2005, 10:49:

I think the weapons themselves do the speaking, it wouldn't matter if they were called fluffy pink pussycat would it? I really don't think the enemy equates Iroquois or whatever with anything but a weapon, you really think they know it is an indian nation?

If you are proud of a legacy of maiming and killing, bully for you, but don't expect everyone to share your views.

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kernow62 says on Aug 7, 2005, 11:36:

I was not just referring to what happened to native Americans, but what goes on even today around the world in many nations. I actually consider myself one of those marginalized peoples, 1 in 10 of my nations males were put to death systematically; yet I know we probably did our share of killing and maiming too, we displaced, killed or assimilated groups who came before us. I am not proud of it either way.

Why can't the world just settle its differences on the football pitch or rugby pitch instead!

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Aug 7, 2005, 11:54:

Maybe badminton would be a better choice It seems to me that half the appeal in futbol/soccer is denigrating other regions and countries. Caldas sucks! Medellin sucks! Liverpool sucks! Senegal sucks! Add the racial element (see games in Spain and France) with the empty but sometimes violent nationalism, and your idea might lead to even more war. ;-)

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Dan says on Aug 7, 2005, 12:01:

I've even seen people getting offended for someone saying "American Indian" and instead saying that the PC. way to say it is "Native Indian" and that America/American etc. came later on. Now with how people are suing each other for one reason or another, everyone is just trying to "cover themselves" from some moron trying to make a few million bucks. Like the McDonalds thing with a lady spilling coffee on her lap and got a big settlement. people just can't use some damn common sense and use what gray matter between their ears that they MIGHT have.

There are a lot of stupid people out there.

God Bless America!

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Gomezman5 says on Aug 7, 2005, 12:05:

I'm a little late for my two cents But Allow me to embellish on what UTC said. He is correct, blame the liberals for this chapter of political correctness. It's just another sphere that they wish to stink their noses in as they endeavor to "right" every wrong that has ever been done to eveyone.

I hear ya man, it is EXACTY things like the author of this thread points out, that make me want to pack it in and head to places like Colombia where this stuff doesn't exist.

Michael_B, you have to understand, things in this country are going drastically wrong. I too am an active member of the University of Illinois Alumni Association. I attended the Chicago Campus back when it was called "The Circle". While I recognize that our chief Illiniwek
has been under attack for a few years, and now I fear that he may be gone. A small group of Indians contend we are exploting one of their people. Such crap. I am sick of this too.

This all adds up as to why you have to stop voting for liberals. If liberals in this country ever take over, you will see much more of the same. You might even have your income tax rasied so we can pay reperatons to people that (1) we never did anything to and (2) that have never in any way been vicitimized but for the fact that they want to claim injury for something they never even lived to winess.

The Message: Keep liberals out of Government.

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kernow62 says on Aug 7, 2005, 14:20:

I blame it all on attorneys who go to bat for stupid causes and sue corporations over trivial things. As far as I am concerned they have ruined the country for everyone. We all incur the cost while these fat cat lawyers sit back and get richer. Burn 'em at the stake I say!!!

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Dan says on Aug 7, 2005, 14:41:

"Burn 'em at the stake I say!!!"

Didn't they do this a long time ago anyway?

God Bless America!

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Lostgringo says on Aug 7, 2005, 14:53:

Happy Workers in Colombia Good point GIB. Things are pretty tight in the workplace nowadays and some it brought on by people themselves...just talk a woman in a government office and refer to her as "dear". Make sure you duck...these feminists will pummel you lol.

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Gomezman5 says on Aug 7, 2005, 14:59:

Just remember Kernow Whenever one of these reckless lawyers (and there are plenty of them) get into the business of filing idiotic law suits to do things like get rid of Chief Illinwik, it takes well-informed, socially conservative lawyers like myself to swat them down and put them in their place.

There are good eggs and bad eggs in all realms.

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kernow62 says on Aug 7, 2005, 15:57:

I am all for it G5. However it seems like the reckless lawyers win their fair share or else they wouldn't be doing it.

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Gomezman5 says on Aug 7, 2005, 17:38:

Not really Kernow..It's like Las Vegas Winners in everything always brag and even exagerate their winnings. Loosers even lie, to portray themselves as winners. Nobody ever hears from those who lose. When a lawyer looses a case, neithr he or the media mention a word.

Likewise, when people go to Vegas, they always come back talking about their winnings. Do the losers? Never. Or they phrase it differently. They say "I budgeted myself, I only planned on spending x amount per day." That's a nice way of not admitting their losses.

In other words, the justice system in this country works a lot better than you or anyone might think. Once a week I read the "Jury verdict rerporter" for Cook County. You would be shocked if I told you how often people sue for money damages in car accident cases, and the insurance comapany does not offer enough, or they will not settle, and then the case goes to trial for a day or two, and then a few hours later, the Jury comes back with a not guilty/liable verdict. In that case, the lawyer spend 4 or 5 years working up a case to bring to trial and then.....the jury sifts through the facts and does the right thing....

Bottom line: Good lawyers work hard to win. They even lose when they should win. Bad lawyers are out there, but they are few and far between. You just hear about the bad lawyers more than the good ones, so you think there are a lot more bad lawyers than there actually are

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kernow62 says on Aug 7, 2005, 18:00:

I would of course expect you to say that.

Of course the many bad lawyers drag down the good ones like yourself and that other bastion of sanity on PBH Utopia Cowboy.

I thank my lucky stars there are such fine folks as you standing up for us little guys.

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Gomezman5 says on Aug 7, 2005, 18:05:

I think I will take that as a compliment It is a little half hearted, but I could never expect you to give me a ringing endorsement. Could I ??

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kernow62 says on Aug 7, 2005, 18:08:

What? And ruin my street cred on PBH, not on your nelly, mate.

That's as close as you get.

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poco says on Aug 8, 2005, 01:42:

This has the unmistakable smell of a bush plot Oregon is next.

The appalling Personal attacks against humanity (half of it at least) and degrading an entire species.

Beavers optimistic despite having big holes to fill

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." Quote - General Tommy Franks

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rjstuff says on Aug 8, 2005, 08:19:

Michael all you need is lots of tolerance! You don't have to leave a place (USA or Colombia or Timbuctu) because people are offended by a word - on this very thread - People have tried to defend/attack liberals, republicans, colombians, americans, football teams, beer companies! If you learn to be tolerant you can learn to be friends with all sorts of people and that makes your life much more fun and enjoyable - I have republicans, conservatives, catholics etc. etc. as friends (along with liberals, non-religious, tree huggers - lol) and they know that I am a liberal athiest! We don't get too emotional about most things and can enjoy a beer or two together and discuss a little (we try and leave the discussions at a civilized level most times.)
Enjoy this world Michael - don't get offended by people's individual likes and dislikes and beliefs and faiths - right or wrong! Heck my fiancee is a catholic colombian about to marry an athiest, but she does enjoy a beer with me at times! jejeje

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