another perv

bufalo says on Jun 27, 2007, 08:06:

The second part of what you say is the problem. I knew those guys when I was in SM, here I don't "know" any and would rather not get into their world because it might bite me in the ass later (again, wife and kid). Other problem is, who is the guy? the cops let him go almost right away - so I have no way of knowing who it is. Last one is that it would be obvious who did it and it would then go to biting me in the ass again.

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

bufalo says on Jun 27, 2007, 08:08:

forgot to ask is this "gringoinbogota" as in the old "GIB". Welcome back and hey, from your picture Bogotá looking a lot better, I may have to go back there (I'm talking about the beach, not the guy on it)

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

calor11 says on Jun 27, 2007, 08:53:

i imagine that its an uneducated construction worker with the mentality of a 10yrs old, trying to peek at some honey. Without knowing too much about living there as you are, i would say not take it so seriously, as it seems to happen harmlessly all the time.

anyway, good you taught him a lesson. i;m sure its the only way to get respect down there i'm sure.

bufalo says on Jun 27, 2007, 09:15:

AB, mmmm uptight? Let's take a looksie. It isn't like the guy just happened to be working there ner a window and Opps! saw something. For the last several days I kept noticing the bathroom window moved - we never move it. I kept fixing it and again it was moved. He had to climb up a 1 1/2 story wall, then climb along a windowsill ledge, hanging off of bars on our bedroom window, then get to the bathroom - the guy's a piece of shit. Now let's say this guy tried to attack my wife at one point. I'm not home it's just her and our daughter, or maybe not her, something happens, everyone here would be saying what a shame, something must be done - but noone really gives a shit.

You might also note my comment about ignorance being in every country (I see tons of it in the US, and actually dread going back there if need be). The ignorance I see here has to do with how people look at women. I have adult women offereing me their 15 year old kids for crying out loud, knowing I'm married with child. Last years festival featured a float with toppless 14-17 year olds (about that age). Try to find a girl here who hasn't slept with a married guy (probably the reason they get so jealous later, now THEY get married and know what is out there).

Aren't you the guy that gets geezers girls in Cali or something like that? could be wrong, just asking. I do remember something about you and the sex trade, but like I said, I could be wrong, I'm at least open to that.

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

bufalo says on Jun 27, 2007, 09:18:

hmmm. I see AB's comment was deleted. I don't know why. If the moderaters zapped it or something seems a bit odd. Even if I don't agree with the guy he does offer input. I actually see too many uptight gringos here (and really dopey ones that have no clue what the heck is going on)

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

vicshere says on Jun 27, 2007, 09:26:

hey bufalo...I understand you......that's the mentally down here unfortunately.....take this as a good warning as to the vulnerabilities of your home........but it sounds like you are concerned about security inside your house...first I would block or conceal that bathroom window....also you really shouldn't have a window directly onto a neighbor property line....then I would defiantly have a good look around and look for weakness in you security....window bars....patio roof bars.....security doors ...secure locks.........I have courtyard in the front with a 4 meter high metal gate at the front with neighbor walls at 3 meters.....then the actual house has all the security features to boot

listo

vicshere says on Jun 27, 2007, 09:37:

then I might also add...inside the house I have a 9mm with 2 magazines (total 18 shoots).....so I say "come one down"

listo

bufalo says on Jun 27, 2007, 10:06:

I'd like to go that route, but with a kid at home.... and then I may be looking for trouble as well. These guys are putting an illegal second story on and left a wall "unfilled" for a few days, it is now filled in. I don't think the guy was working there long and tend to doubt they were all in on it. I'd like to report them, but payback may be a bitch. Had the guy fallen down the airshaft (with a little help) it really wouldn't have bothered me, unfortunately that didn't happen. I had to climb up and find him hiding under the roof that they are installing. He was in a crawlspace about 30ft. where I couldn't get at him, but the big-ass pipe next to him could. So I pulled it back and then pushed, then repeated several dozen times while he was screaming like a baby. I unfortunately missed his face, but his begging arm got in the way more than once and will probably never be the same again.
So I'm thinking I should leave it at that. If I go and report the other guys, then the problems compound.

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

bufalo says on Jun 27, 2007, 11:03:

Good for them, and hopefully that happens to that guy too.

Funny about stealing here, I saw way more when I lived in Barcelona, stealing on the street anyway. I actually let my guard DOWN here in Colombia.

When we were in the BOG airport a cop "stole" my suitcase. It was one of those things where they do it, make you freak out in front of everyone to teach everyone a lesson to watch their bags at all times. I was calm because I had a feeling that was what was happening. When the officers asked why I wasn't watching my bags so much I answered "Because I'm not in Barcelona anymore" and explained how it was there. The other reason I wasn't freaking is because the cop an empty suitcase. I brought it with me to fill things from my trip. The other officers made fun of him for taking the empty one out of all of them.

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

panthdave says on Jun 27, 2007, 11:20:

Funny none of these situations have happened to me yet and as I have read over the months I should be very aware and not naive..Heard of the criminal aspect and papaya but never these kind of things like backstabbers.. Will be on the look out and yes getting use to the police don't give a shit about anything and still have to remember even though I have an apartment in Medellin and go down almost every two weeks to be with my GF which we are both happy I should watch what I say when I meet new friends...
Good Thread..

panthdave Miami

Robert Jorge says on Jun 27, 2007, 11:51:

Bufalo, if I were you, I would get a can of peppergas. The kind that has an identifying dye as well. If this clown is on the ledge trying to peep at you guys, spray his ass. He'll drop like coon shot out of a pine tree. Besides being in excruciating pain from the spray and the fall, he'll have a a nice florescent glow for a few days that he'll have to explain to his buddies. After you messing up his arm and the police coming, even though they didn't do anything, I doubt he'll come back. And I can appreciate your concern for your family. That changes what one is willing to do in certain circumstances, because your thinking about 3 people, not just yourself.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

bufalo says on Jun 27, 2007, 12:36:

that would've been perfect. he would've dropped like a coon down a 4 story airshaft, much better.

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

Robert Jorge says on Jun 27, 2007, 12:54:

I don't know if you can buy pepperspray in Colombia ??? Bear spray is peppergas, but usually in a 10% concentration. Bufalo needs one of those cans that look like a small black fire extinguisher of gas - like that Dog the Bounty Hunter straps on.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

bufalo says on Jun 27, 2007, 13:18:

can you imagine that guy down here? He'd probably last a day. See this is the funny thing about living elsewhere. I talk about the odd things I see in Colombia, then I have to explain that TV show to my wife's family.

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

Robert Jorge says on Jun 27, 2007, 14:02:

That freak (Dog) stands out like a sore thumb in gringolandia. In Colombia, he would stand out so much it would be comical. I don't know how long he would last. A sicario would get him within a short amount of time - maybe a month.

Jaja. I tried explaining the show to my wife also. I gave up. She laughs everytime she sees that giant mona with tetas grandes.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

bufalo says on Jun 27, 2007, 14:39:

I once had to explain, and I mean dialouge and everything as the show was going on, "Beavis and Butthead". the longest half hour of my life. How the hell do you translate "buttmunch"?

the whole cornholio scene was impossible.

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 27, 2007, 15:03:

for $100 you can get an almost fully automatic paintball handgun or rilfe......non-lethal in theory, but hurts like a motherf$# at r when it connects.......some even have laser sight.....nothing like a pervert running around with lime green or bright orange paint all over his face to identify him...then huge red welts to boot.....i bought one 2 weeks ago for some clown who decided to use my BMW as a parts supply vehicle for his similar car....his booking photo looks funnier than shit...looks like he got slimed from Ghostbusters....jajajjaja..

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

vicshere says on Jun 27, 2007, 15:09:

something I have learnt in life....if your going to shoot someone make sure you take him down dead or well maimed...a paintball is not going to do the trick......anything in a 9mm or .32 and up will do a nice job....and in Colombia if there is some motherfucker inside your house that shouldn't be there shoot first ask questions later......you have all the rights if someone is in your home without an invite....I think more than in the US

listo

Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 27, 2007, 15:36:

some of us dont get excited over killing someone.......=)

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

vicshere says on Jun 27, 2007, 16:05:

who's excited ....actually I dread the thought of shooting someone but hell my family first ....scumbag second...I would be protecting my family...nothing wrong with that people have been doing that for millions of years

listo

Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 27, 2007, 17:06:

but you can still protect your family, as you should, but without killing someone.....which was the idea behind the non-lethal option of the paintball gun...besides, it is cheap target practice....but no fun for the intended target...=)

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

vicshere says on Jun 27, 2007, 17:21:

believe me Miguel your non lethal option will get you killed or at least hurt......all you will do piss the dirt bag off and he may end up shoving that thing up the back door.....you may if you don't believe me speak or confirm this with a security expert......my house is my sanctuary.....anyone in it that's not suppose to be there is in for a lot of hurt dead or alive

listo

vicshere says on Jun 27, 2007, 17:22:

by the way paintball are for scaring away the dam cats not robbers and thieves

listo

Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 27, 2007, 17:30:

what would you consider a security expert?...they would have to know it was you in the first place.......snipers are hard to spot.......and killing them with a gun wont get you killed or at least hurt?

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

vicshere says on Jun 27, 2007, 17:34:

well a security expert is someone in the line of security....for example a veteran policeman....a home security specialist maybe
I am sorry but I don't understand
""they would have to know it was you in the first place.......snipers are hard to spot.......and killing them with a gun wont get you killed or at least hurt?"""
please expand or explain

listo

Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 27, 2007, 17:44:

hmmmm...i just finished a 28 year career in police work in California? would i qualify?

if using a paintball gun as a sniper to nail your pervert, he would have to know who shot at him to retaliate......i mean, it really isnt that hard to hide and take a shot a deserving pervert, and not get caught, i would imagine.....fire a handgun, and i am sure the neighborhood will hear it...and where it came from approximately..that was my point......

you suggested a firearm....both that option and the paintball have equal chances for retaliation, no?

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

vicshere says on Jun 27, 2007, 17:59:

again Miguel ....if there is an intruder in my home night or day...I really don't give a shit who hears it....man I never heard of a person out of 28 year career in police work and want to use a paintball gun for protection.....I have to think your feeding us a line

listo

Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 27, 2007, 18:03:

i agree with you 100% on the intruder to your home..but ...i thought we were talking about a pervert looking in the bathroom window, as in the OP? are we talking about something else?

lets talk police work as relative to California, and i will impress you with my knowledge......=).....i have my pd pension paid monthly.....life is good...

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 27, 2007, 18:06:

protection does not include a pervert on another building....protection is like you say, intruders to your home, robbers.......different set of circumstances, with different operational solutions, no?

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

vicshere says on Jun 27, 2007, 18:22:

well I did start to talk about peeping toms but then I addressed some security issues bufalo might have because I thought his home was not as secure as it could be (my take on the situation) then I did go on in further posts to explain about scum bags and so on...as I explained I have my home well protected construction wise and back up firepower....I do have a house 2 over that is a 2 story and they can look down into my court yard but that doesn't bother me.....if they see me or my wife going to get the mail in our undies big deal...that doesn't worry me... but I think we were disagreeing and agreeing about the same think


""""hey bufalo...I understand you......that's the mentally down here unfortunately.....take this as a good warning as to the vulnerabilities of your home........but it sounds like you are concerned about security inside your house...first I would block or conceal that bathroom window....also you really shouldn't have a window directly onto a neighbor property line....then I would defiantly have a good look around and look for weakness in you security....window bars....patio roof bars.....security doors ...secure locks.........I have courtyard in the front with a 4 meter high metal gate at the front with neighbor walls at 3 meters.....then the actual house has all the security features to boot"""

listo

Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 27, 2007, 18:26:

funny how that happens.....i had the OP in mind...you an intruder.....but, either way, i think that anyone who happens to venture into anothers house, like you say, gets whatever he deserves..for the criminal i say "Sucks to be youuuuu...." jajajaj..i think Texans have it right.....

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 27, 2007, 18:28:

but the 28 years is correct...i **almost** feel guilty taking that pension money....=)

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

goin_south says on Jun 27, 2007, 18:28:

then send it to me, Clavo.
I hate it when you feel guilty.

and, thank you.

Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 27, 2007, 18:31:

ok.....it "in the mail" right now.....=)...but i will convert it into PBH Gringo $$$ first.....

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

vicshere says on Jun 27, 2007, 18:40:

ok Miguel now I see your thinking like a cop....as for the peeing tom.....first of all they wouldn't get an opportunity like that here...having a window with exposure whether high or not to a neighbor be like giving papaya...and we know that's rule number 1 in Colombia

listo

elreydelostrolls says on Jun 27, 2007, 20:24:

Now, now, Bufalo, there is another thread on PBH extolling the virtues of Colombia over Costa Rica and how it's so much more civilized and safer! You don't agree? Imaginate!

scotty says on Jun 28, 2007, 02:18:

MC having been a cop I am very surprised that you recommend a paintball gun for home protection. Most cops and ex cops that i know say just the opposite they saw get a gun and use it to protect your family.
personally i have guns all over the place and the first jackass that enters my home or car uninvited is in for some hot lead.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

kalder says on Jun 28, 2007, 03:04:

Apart from that last paragraph, there's a lot of truth in what you say paisano.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

vicshere says on Jun 28, 2007, 07:19:

hey GIB to get into my house they are going to have to make some noise....don't worry I will have enough time....they will have to pull the steel bars off the windows or ripe the steel door open or break through a brick wall all around I will hear those scum bags there is no other way to get in ...of course if a tank comes rolling in a 9mm is not going to do anything anyway...I am just concerned about the scum bag thief

listo

vicshere says on Jun 28, 2007, 07:40:

again gib this goes back to giving papaya.....when I hear of someone getting robbed.....its always a weird situation.....e.g......man goes to bank to get a large amount of cash he gets robbed.....someone has been saving up some money at home for a while gets robbed.....I always think someone else was involved even a family member or a close friend.....where as in Canada someone gets robbed it mostly is out of chance or being in the wrong place at the wrong time....here in Colombia I don't tell anyone what I do when I go to the bank about my finances....I don't go around showing the money in my wallet...that's just stupid....you don't speak about what you do have or don't have...that's stupid.....you have to live like you said... you have to live with your head up at all times...the time you put your head down somebody is there waiting...its not paranoia...its defense technique

listo

Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 28, 2007, 09:50:

scotty...please read my posts...the paintball idea was for the OP which spoke of a peepintg Tom looking into the bathroom window of the OPs house...you going to shoot a firearm at the guy and kill him for that? if so, i question your sanity......did you miss my post about my thoughts about people invading ones home? probably not...you really should read the posts before posting yourself.....i said the home intruder can leave in a body bag basically.......

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

Miguel_Clavo says on Jun 28, 2007, 10:40:

ill sum my comments up for ya:

two situations where i commented in this post where i suggested a paintball pistol or rifle during the non-lethal use of force option:

1. or the prick who was stealing my foglights and side mirrors off of my BMW late at night (which did just happen)

2. for the pervert in the OP who was trying to peep into the OPs house to watch his wife in the shower

i think shooting these guys and killing them with a firearm is a little rude and excessive......

My comments regarding Home invasions, etc, where a family is sleeping........my opinion: anything short of a flamethrower or rocket-propelled grenade is acceptable.....=)...like i would say to the bad guy...."Sux 2 B U"...jajaja...

but IMHO, citizen possessed firearms have always been a two-edged sword for law enforcement.......on the one hand, most cops realize that they can not be at everyones house 24/7 to prevent or handle home entries....so civilians should have the means to protect themselves.....but, OTOH, a gun in the hands of a untrained person is very dangerous and many times fatal for the gun handler and those around them....many times their children are not lucky..not to mention, the knucklehead who whacks a cop thinking he was criminal on thier property when it was the citizen who called the police in the first place about an intruder on their property.......

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

bufalo says on Jun 28, 2007, 19:21:

vicshere, you're married? Am I wrong here, but aren't you the guy with the hostel in Medellin? I figured with so much movement and visitors in the hostel, security would be a bit tough.

Maybe I have all the PBH's mixed up.

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

goin_south says on Jun 28, 2007, 22:14:

gib, I wasn't going to comment.
but, It looks above as though you are still in that other thread.
the one where I spoke of the illusion, and ... I understand your point about the difference of living there, most likely, versus visiting occasionally.

I'm certain your points are (sooner or later) well-taken.
That's why I said: never any trouble (YET)
I'm sure even for the casual and occasional visitor, the odds sooner or later even out.

and, thank you.

Lowell says on Jun 29, 2007, 10:51:

"There are people here that are just out to get ya. Just a few but they run around and spread rumors about you and tell lies about you just to make your life here miserable. Why? Good fucking question."

Even in the States I had problems with jealosy. My wife was sick with it to the point she made up things in her mind. Other unhappy people just couldn't stand to see me happy or content. So they would finds things to do or say that could possibly foul up my pleasure.

Here in Colombia it's more brutal, nasty and prevalent. It may be as said "a jealosy issue for the men" The women, I don't know. Maybe just plain vindictive and nasty.... Some of the people who've made plays for my wife were pitifull losers. She laughs at them after they have made their play, were refused, put their tail between their legs and went away. Some pretty impressive a fellow have made their advances too. I really don't know why she hasn't surcumed. They have it all over me. I'm not that great of a catch.

Before I married my wife, a taxi driver that I'd used before we left for Panama, returned to her mothers house and talked a whole lot of untrue trash about me. I'd treated that guy real good too. The girl I'd been with prior to her and was kicked to the curb after 3 weeks of trying to be a spoiled princess, was pissed and wanted to extract revenge. It caused my wifes mother a lot of unfounded worry and didn't break us up (wish now it would have) either. I know how to find these people. I figure in about 6 months it's be time to have some fun with them.

One of the construction workers that worked in my house is lucky to still have his dick after what he said to my wife, about what I'd supposedly said about her. Did the fool not think that it would get back to me? Her mother also overheard (lives next door) a whole lot of BS from everybody except one laborer. Others on my no favors for them list.

Cheers!

Alfred E. Newman. "What. Me Worry?"

goin_south says on Jun 29, 2007, 13:54:

GIB.... no offense, but:
I think what others here try to point out is that:

First, even as Lowell points out: The same is or may be true in the States: And, especially if you are on top of your game (profession), someone is out to get what you have acquired, or to snatch what you have done.

And, secondly, sometimes people just want to say that maybe, although I've always thought well of most of your posts here, some people here may suspect that in some way, you are attracting that stuff to yourself.

Some of us jus think you're reflecting on the way the world is, and it's not specific to ....b o g o t a.

You need help, my friend.
You're stressed.
Find a good combo: massage/psycho-therapist.
Maybe read the Sedona Method of Releasing.
Or, How To Win Friends and Influence People.
Maybe you should have a different disguise for dressing for every day of the week.
You're paranoid.
You're desperate....always on guard.

And, of course, I'm just wankin your f at qn chain for not writing back to me before I came to Bogota!

Not that I would have called anyway, because my acompanera was quite distracting/very attracting.

and, thank you.

goin_south says on Jun 29, 2007, 18:05:

as I said,..... just pulling your chain.

I never worried. jaja...

Just for old time sake.... you know... it looks to me, like some very old posts THAT WERE ONCE DELETED, might be on pbh once again. Maybe they got some of those VINTAGE GRINGOINBOGOTA posts from 18 months ago up again...

Before I made my first trip, I always put a lil stock in what you were saying many times, as a part of my perspective on travel in Colombia. And, so far,... maybe that's part of why I haven't had problems. Who knows?

and, thank you.

arthur brode says on Jun 29, 2007, 21:23:

bufalo,i (and the Colombian police) do not believe your wife was at risk of being attacked under those circumstances.Now,if that incident occurred in the U.S. then i would NOT say that you over reacted.

http://www.calirentals.net/

bufalo says on Jun 30, 2007, 11:19:

Maybe, but what I'm talking about is that the guy went WAY out of his way to do what he did, and who is to say he wasn't staking out for down the road? A day or two before I found the window in the same position and couldn't figure out why. What happens down here is that sexual abuse/attacks are completely acceptable. The cops conveniently let the guy go when I wasn't looking. They took the names of the two bosses that were there, but when I asked about the piece-of-shit, they said they didn't bother getting his name. They didn't even do a check on him, maybe he's done this and worse before? Like I said, they were more concerned if something was taken. Why wait until something does happen? (and then everyone says "what a shame")
When I called the guy shit, his reasoning was that they were going to fill in the wall anyway, so it wouldn't happen again. As in "I was spying on your wife, but what's the big deal?" This to me is ignorance, just leave that alone?
Colombia as a whole is ignorant when it comes to the sexuality of its women. Take a good look one day at some grown men who just sit around a shoot the shit, watch when a girl, women too, but I'm talking about young girls, say 13 or so, walk by. If they are alone, the grown men say shit to her, and most times it isn't "Hi, you look nice". Watch the girls face.
Most of the girls I know in Colombia have been victims of sexual attacts and noone gives a shit. An uncle, cousin, some old geezer, whatever, the father's usually don't give a shit either (although they may say they do). Why do so many gringos come down here for the easy pickins? And by sexual attacks, I'm not talking about peeping, but out and out attacks.

"Now, if that incident occurred in the U.S. then i would NOT say that you over reacted" - at first I agreed with this, but take a good look at what you said..... down here that IS completely acceptable behavior - that's the ignorance of Colombia.

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

bueno_pues says on Jun 30, 2007, 13:02:

Desafortunadamente, Bufalo, tiene razon.

arthur brode says on Jun 30, 2007, 17:05:

bufalo,you come from a sexually repressed society.whats "acceptable" in Colombia is not in the U.S.And as far as sexual attacks/perverts are concerned we both know which country rules in that Dept. Bufalo,If a sexual attack is reported in Colombia iam sure that the perpetrator would be aprehended and be facing some serious charges.Didnt some guy just get a few years for grabing some womans ass in public?

http://www.calirentals.net/

arthur brode says on Jun 30, 2007, 17:24:

bufalo,it just goes to show that your reasoning is faulty.The police where more concerned about whether something was stolen because sexual assaults on strangers are not nearly as common in Colombia as in the U.S.

http://www.calirentals.net/

bufalo says on Jul 1, 2007, 07:11:

with all respect, "sexual assaults on strangers are not nearly as common in Colombia as in the U.S", where do you get your info from? Not that I'm saying this isn't true, but I'd find it hard to believe. I think there is also a difference between countries as far as what a sexual attack is. I never said my wife was attacked, but it could have been a setup. The cops didn't even check him out, and he was at the windo a bare minimum of 4 times, not just a casual glance.

Again, "The police where more concerned about whether something was stolen because sexual assaults on strangers are not nearly as common in Colombia as in the U.S." Maybe because down here, a sexual attack, or peeping or simply respecting women is not important at all? More important is if a literal object is missing.

"you come from a sexually repressed society.whats "acceptable" in Colombia is not in the U.S" - no shit, but that doesn't mean that the ignorance down here towards certain things doesn't hurt people.

"If a sexual attack is reported in Colombia iam sure that the perpetrator would be aprehended and be facing some serious charges" Brode - I believe you've been down here a while, but apparently not long enough, you have no idea how wrong you are. One guys grabs one ass, and you base all your knowledge on that? Whose reasoning is faulty?

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

arthur brode says on Jul 1, 2007, 08:43:

it doesnt matter where i get my info. from.its a fact.those types of violent sexual crimes are not common in Colombia.they are common in the U.S.

respecting Combian women is not important at all? I find Colombian men much more respectful to their women than Gringos.

the ignorance that hurts people is when a gringo brings his preconceived ideas over to Colombia.wasnt you the person that was going to be arrested for assaulting someone with a pipe?

and iam not basing all my knowledge on the one ass grabbing incident.i was just using that incident as an example that those types of crimes are not tolerated here in Colombia.

http://www.calirentals.net/

goin_south says on Jul 1, 2007, 08:50:

"I find Colombian men much more respectful to their women than Gringos."

I find the Colombian society much more repsectful, overall than that of the USA.

and, thank you.

bueno_pues says on Jul 1, 2007, 09:17:

"I find Colombian men much more respectful to their women than Gringos."

En todos mis anos de leer PBH, este es posiblemente el peor comentario que he leído. Colombia es un sociedad machista que tratan las mujeres muy mal muchas veces. Para Arthur, todo en Colombia es mejor de los EEUU. Bueno. Pero es una mentira decir que ellos tratan las mujeres con mas respecto. NO, Senor. Habla con las mujeres Colombianas que vivieron en Colombia y los EEUU y preguntalos como los hombres se portan con ellas. Mucho mas respecto en los EEUU! Es por los comentarios como esta basura que no tengo una parte de respecto para PBH. Es un sitio de mentirosos y mentiras!

bueno_pues says on Jul 1, 2007, 09:26:

Y por que piensas que Colombia es un pais a donde van los turistas de sexo? Ellos le gustan un país en donde ellos pueden hacer qualquiera cosa que ellos quieren sin las consecuencias en sus propios países. No, Senor, ellos tratan las mujeres como las partes de carne, no mas. En Colombia es posible a hacer las cosas con libertad que en otros países son crímenes.

goin_south says on Jul 1, 2007, 09:50:

Whatchoo talking about Willis?

and, thank you.

arthur brode says on Jul 1, 2007, 09:51:

veo muchos gringos que no saben como tratar una mujer.Los Colombianos si saben como tratar una mujer.y si que voz dices es cierto,entonces por que la mayoria de las Colombianas en los Estado Unidos se casan con Colombianos? y de donde vienen la mayoria de los turistas de sexo??

http://www.calirentals.net/

arthur brode says on Jul 1, 2007, 10:18:

i rest my case:)

http://www.calirentals.net/

vicshere says on Jul 1, 2007, 10:54:

hey arthur how about that in english...this is the english side of the board isnt it ....thanks

listo

arthur brode says on Jul 1, 2007, 11:37:

vic,

pues bien doesnt agree with me on that Colombian men are more respectful and treat their women better than Gringos.If what she says was true then there would be more marraiges between Colombian women and Gringos in the States.Colombian women in the States gravitate torwards Colombian men.

I have seen plenty of Gringos that dont even know how to treat a woman..I know for one that Colombian men have a better understanding and more experience with women than the average Gringo.

Then she goes on to say how bad the sex tourist treat Colombian women.Well,who are the majority of the sex tourist?? Where are they from??

http://www.calirentals.net/

vicshere says on Jul 1, 2007, 11:59:

ohh i see i have her on ignore so i can't see her posts.....i guess you where addressing her directly then...thanks for the explain

listo

goin_south says on Jul 1, 2007, 13:34:

but I don't really understand why anyone would put others on 'ignore', except for obvious cases of extremities. what's the sense of being on a forum, to view only those who are in agreement with you, or see things only as you also see them?

and, thank you.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 1, 2007, 13:37:

Bueno_pues a she?
I don't think so.

Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

vicshere says on Jul 1, 2007, 13:40:

Mr. going south I refuse to read a poster who is not writing the same language as the other posters....if I could read Spanish very well I would go to the Spanish forum...but I cant so I am here...when bunes airs decides to write English in an English forum I will unblock her....if I can't read her posts what the point in having them on my screen

listo

goin_south says on Jul 1, 2007, 13:52:

Vic, you are living in Bucaramanga, and don't speak/understand spanish so much?
BTW, I was in Bucaramanga last Monday morning....by accidente. Nice Scenery, flying in from Bogota! I was sorta hoping the pilot was gonna tell me I had to stay a few days.

and, thank you.

vicshere says on Jul 1, 2007, 13:58:

oh I speak just fine actually pretty dam good....I can read but very slowly and many things in written Spanish I don't understand.....I had the same problem with Portuguese...Bucaramanga is nice but needs a beach or ocean

listo

Tinto (Moderator) says on Jul 1, 2007, 14:31:

Bueno Pues = Utopia Cowbay = El Rey de Los Trolls

Desideria (Moderator) says on Jul 1, 2007, 15:03:

That's what I thought...
Cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

Miguel_Clavo says on Jul 1, 2007, 16:42:

UTC is bueno_pues when he wants to impress us all with his superb command of the written spanish language.......=)

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

arthur brode says on Jul 1, 2007, 17:01:

fooled me.

http://www.calirentals.net/

bufalo says on Jul 1, 2007, 18:14:

Fooled me too. But arthur brode still does not make any sense. Most Colombian women in the states marry colombian men? mmmm funny, but when I was in the states (lived in the colombian neighborhood of Jackson Heights) the colombianas I talked to didn't want to go back to Colombia because of the way they were treated, they liked being able to walk down the street without (much) harrassment. The guys would always talk about colombia and it usually included young girls.
I think colombians would normally gravitate toward colombians, same as the chinese, and any other immigrant population when they first arrive.
I'd agrree, colombian men have more experience - remember, they treat women like meat from the get-go. Unfortunately colombian women have more experience themselves, but they are usually put in those situations before they are mature enough to make a choice.
Put the number of sex tourists (clients?) against the number of population in the US - major difference? I'd say so. Do colombians go to other countries for sex? no, two big reasons A) why? you can get a young girl here cheap or free (because they are treated like meat and don't know any better, and B) cost, most don't have that cash.
And the whole thing with women is one thing. What they do to girls is another. What about all them? I see 15yo harrassed by older men all the time, the kids are just walking down the street - you think they like that harrrassment? OK, some do. A lot of the women I know here will not walk around n the center if they are by themselves because they don't want to be harrassed. Different from the silicon cuchi-mamas that like that stuff.

I love the fact that the world has so many different cultures and I find positive in all I've seen as well as negative, inlcuding the US (like the fatness of that society), but I'm not going to blindly say that colombia is the best and there is no negative here - that would be ignorant.

You also skipped out on a question.... (and again, I could be wrong) but don't you or didn't you work in the sex trade? I seem to remember you saying to send all the geezers in medellin looking for young girls your way because you could "use the clients".

This might not have been you, just asking. And it isn't an attack, rather a repeat of something I read on this board awhile back.

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

bueno_pues says on Jul 1, 2007, 19:51:

Buen dicho, Bufalo.

goin_south says on Jul 1, 2007, 20:41:

Maybe he's a criminal attorney, bufalo. (?) no se,
but...b_p is doing his part to further my cause of increasing my spanish.
Hay no problema.
Muchas gracias, senor.

and, thank you.

bufalo says on Jul 1, 2007, 21:26:

glad to see something coming from this thread, hey UC!

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

arthur brode says on Jul 1, 2007, 21:48:

Let me rephrase that.Many latin women in the U.S. avoid Gringos and gravitate torwards latin men.

Iam sure there are more sex tourist in the U.S. than there is in the rest of the world combined.Just like there is more people incarcerated in the U.S. than the rest of the world combined.

When i lived in Miami there wasnt a weekend that went by that i didnt witness a woman being being harrased or addressed vulgarly in public.Now that i live in Colombia i really cant recall witnessing an incident of harrasment since i have been here.I hear comments/piropos directed torwards women,But they are usually done in good taste.

When asked by a Gringo,some Colombian women in the States will talk negative about their own country/men.what do you expect? The Colombian women that live in the States are not like the Colombian women that live in Colombia.

And yes,sometimes i introduce tourist to some chicas that i know.so what? quit trying to make something out of nothing.

http://www.calirentals.net/

goin_south says on Jul 1, 2007, 22:58:

the duck says: LIVE!.... AND LET LIVE!

and, thank you.

bufalo says on Jul 2, 2007, 09:33:

I believe you said "clients" when someone referred to old men looking for young women. A bit different from just playing cupid.

colombian women living in the states are different, what do you expect? They have a different experience. AND why talk negative about their country? Now, I am not saying this is all of them and that they are right, but since they are experiencing new things, like say respect, they now know different and see things in a different light, hence not liking how they were once treated in colombia. After leaving the states, I looked back, and with new eyes, saw things that stood out as negative too. New environment, new outlook.

Just for an update Art, it's now less than a week after that incident happened, which doesn't have anything to do with how I feel on this subject, I always did even after the first trip down here about 16 years ago, but my wife just got harrassed again. It's Monday, holiday so the streets here in the northern section (strata 5) are a bit lonely. She was making lunch and needed some panela. She crossed the street alone, and since there was noone else around, another piece of shit on a moto slowly followed her, stopped and then started saying some really raunchy things to her - why? Woman alone in Colombia noone else= victim. Has I or any other guy been there, the guy wouldn't have said anything, but she was alone.

Now, my wife isn't one of those blastic-boobie types looking for a flirt. She was dressed normal, jeans, tshirt (just checked, no cleavage) and she was buying fucking panela, but your super-genleman from Colombia saw a victim. Yeah, this guy really knew how to talk , but according to you it is, "usually done in good taste". I see this crap happen all the time over all the years I've been here. You seem to unconditionally love Colombia, but that doesn't mean this crap doesn't go on. Eyes should be open a bit

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

bufalo says on Jul 2, 2007, 09:43:

OOps, forgot to mention, not on the same page and all, but yesterday while we and my wife's family were on the farm, another shit entered their house and made off with whatever he could grab, all their earnings from the week. I don't like them at all, but they are rather poorish - sucks

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

bueno_pues says on Jul 2, 2007, 17:26:

Y mientras ellas estan criticando Costa Rica para el crimen.

bufalo says on Jul 3, 2007, 08:58:

¿Cómo? ¿Dicen que hay mucho crimen en CR?

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor

bufalo says on Jul 3, 2007, 12:50:

Hmmmm, the question was conveniently skipped the first time, then quickly glazed over, now no more responses..... skirting the issue perhaps?

"If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor