ANCHOR BABY CITIZENSHIP

miamimike says on Aug 31, 2007, 10:00:

I think unless both of the parents are legal, neither should the kids born here on US Soil be legal. The Unfortunate thing is many come here to the USA and take advantage of our Generosity and we the taxpayers end up paying. Its disheartening here in Miami to hear people scheming on the "Street" to do just that while our own US immigration Dept is unable to do anything to stop it. Its a well known fact pregnant mothers come to the US on a Tourist Visa to drop the Kid here and it becomes an Anchor Baby. How many other countries allow such a thing?

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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msaucey says on Aug 31, 2007, 10:18:

I think we keep forgetting that one of the main reason why the U.S. will allow this to happen, is because so many people run away from their own countries to avoid persecution for different things...

what was it that was part of the u.s. saying... "... give us your poor, give us your weak..."....

Now, everybody is ready to jump on the band wagon and come down on people that need help from others...

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

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strata2woman says on Aug 31, 2007, 10:34:

Birthright Citizenship Act of 2007 (Introduced in House) This Bill is now in Committee

110th CONGRESS 1st Session

H. R. 1940
To amend section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act to clarify those classes of individuals born in the United States who are nationals and citizens of the United States at birth.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

April 19, 2007
Mr. DEAL of Georgia (for himself, Mr. BILBRAY, and Mr. DANIEL E. LUNGREN of California) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary


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A BILL
To amend section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act to clarify those classes of individuals born in the United States who are nationals and citizens of the United States at birth.


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Birthright Citizenship Act of 2007'.

SEC. 2. CITIZENSHIP AT BIRTH FOR CERTAIN PERSONS BORN IN THE UNITED STATES.

(a) In General- Section 301 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1401) is amended--

(1) by inserting `(a) IN GENERAL- ' before `The following';

(2) by redesignating paragraphs (a) through (h) as paragraphs (1) through (8); and

(3) by adding at the end the following:

`(b) Definition- Acknowledging the right of birthright citizenship established by section 1 of the 14th amendment to the Constitution, a person born in the United States shall be considered `subject to the jurisdiction' of the United States for purposes of subsection (a)(1) if the person is born in the United States of parents, one of whom is--

`(1) a citizen or national of the United States;

`(2) an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States whose residence is in the United States; or

`(3) an alien performing active service in the armed forces (as defined in section 101 of title 10, United States Code).'.

(b) Applicability- The amendment made by subsection (a)(3) shall not be construed to affect the citizenship or nationality status of any person born before the date of the enactment of this Act.

A similar Bill has been introduced many times before, the last one in 2005, but never made it to committee. This time however, it looks like it could happen.

- "con sombrero vueltiao y abarcas de tres puntá"

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miamimike says on Aug 31, 2007, 13:22:

msaucey says on Friday August 31st, 2007 10:18:

I think we keep forgetting that one of the main reason why the U.S. will allow this to happen, is because so many people run away from their own countries to avoid persecution for different things...

what was it that was part of the u.s. saying... "... give us your poor, give us your weak..."....

Now, everybody is ready to jump on the band wagon and come down on people that need help from others...
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Big difference in what you post and the kind that come here to the US in the last Trimester of their pregnancy(like usually in the last couple weeks) to drop the Kid. These are scheming women, not the "weak, the Poor ect" if they were that type, poor and weak, they would have stayed in their own country to drop the Kid. Some Mexican women hike across the Border at El paso, Texas in their last 2 days of pregnancy to pop the Bambino out in an El Paso Hospital for anchor Baby Status,,,Give me a break

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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scotty says on Aug 31, 2007, 13:56:

a very good post MM

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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msaucey says on Aug 31, 2007, 13:58:

Sorry, I think that El Paso, is probably the worst example you can provide.... El Paso also happens to have a strong relationship with Ciudad Juarez....

Heck not even the Mayor of El Paso is too happy about the overwhelming crack down in his city...

"Most people in Washington really don't understand life on the border," said El Paso Mayor John Cook. "They don't understand our philosophy here that the border joins us together, it doesn't separate us."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/20/AR2007...

I'm sure that the scheming women IN their 3rd trimester are the one's we should be fearing, crossing the border... I mean I'm sure it is soooo much easier for them in their condition to jump a fence, cross a desert, sneak across in an unventilated truck.... Yes, how dare they risk their life and that of their unborn child to try and have a better life... They really have nerve!...

Unbelieveable...

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

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miamimike says on Aug 31, 2007, 16:52:

Yep--Unbelievable it is but true! Friends of mine(nurses) who work in one of El paso's Larger Hospital have related these stories to me, boots on the ground. In other cases here in Miami, pregnant women have flown in from south american countries(and not too poor by the way) soley for the purpose of dropping the Kid here for Anchor baby status.Not exactly a secret,,,Another one of the common scams talked about on the streets here. BTW, I should clarify when I say "Hike Across from Mexico" they don't physically walk across a Desert but take a Bus or hitch a car ride to the Crossing point, then simply get out and walk across the check point. About as much exertion as walking down to the corner grocery store,,,LOL

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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bopenyan says on Aug 31, 2007, 20:18:

14th Amendment: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States...are citizens of the United States..." Any legislation that attempts to circumvent this provision, or defiantly contradict it will not withstand judicial scrutiny.

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john_stark says on Aug 31, 2007, 22:42:

One day in the not too distant future all this mierda about denying rights to Mexicans will end. Yeah, you got it, gringos, your days are numbered. As in California, New Mexico and Texas where Mexican-Americans are soon to be the majority so this shall occur in the other states. Then the chickens will come to roost and Latinos will flex their muscle. Maybe they'll let you gringos stay and wash dishes.

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 31, 2007, 22:57:

that is probably true, JS, but reality check for ya...you be as pasty as gringos come, cowboy.....

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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billyb says on Aug 31, 2007, 22:59:

MC, I thought you've been shot??

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 31, 2007, 23:03:

the is the Ghost of Miguel Clavo Future...jajajaja.......back with a m at therf%cking vengeance! Potatoheads and ButtMonkeys beware!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..............i got 9 lives...the Schmuck Canuk in BTown cant hold a candle to moiiiiiiiiiiiil.....with or without a 9mm and friends in high places!!!!!!!!!........................

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 31, 2007, 23:05:

but i will still gladly accept donations in place of flowers.......to help out poor white gringos who are broke as a joke and living off of credit cards.....=)

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 31, 2007, 23:08:

back to the OP...in my oh so subtle opinion, the anchor baby and the anchoring mother should be tied to an anchor themselves and thrown overboard while sailing away from the coast of the US.........subtle enough for y'all? =)

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Robert Jorge says on Aug 31, 2007, 23:32:

Welcome back Clavo. Missed you. By the way, I have a .40SW, and friends in low places. jajajaja

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 31, 2007, 23:48:

thanks, RJ....had to deal with a family member diagnosed with inflammatory breast cancer 2 weeks ago...all hell has broken lose.....makes you really think about what is important in life....that is for sure......i have been reading some of the PBH stuff....since, after all, it is my prescribed therapy per doctors orders....gotta do what the doctor orders, right? regardless of who's feeling get hurt....=)....dont worry, you are not one of the Usual Suspects...jajajajajja...besides, i know you can shoot, whereas for others, its more like a fishing weight or hammer in their hands......=)..or at least, something else in their hands to play with.....=)

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Robert Jorge says on Sep 1, 2007, 00:39:

Now you got me wondering. I defended you, by saying you couldn't be RAAAY, because you don't use constant "........................." between words. Now you went ahead and did it.

Seriously though, whoever the family member is, I hope things work out and they recover. I'll say a prayer. I don't know if I can put a finger on an exact event, but recently after numerous "things", I have also learned to appreciate what is important in life. Hopefully in a year or two, I'll be in Villavo living a very simple life, with a big shit-eatin' grin on my face, working on making babies.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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Miguel_Clavo says on Sep 1, 2007, 02:29:

you got that "nailed", RJ.....that is what the real life is all about.....but I am not Raaay, or Hawk, but i do love the way my "Clavista Fan Club" members fret about me....makes me feel real warm and fuzzy.....=).....but i will give them a clue......but only one.....ever notice i dont comment on all the financial threads??? not my cup of tea, so to speak, being a foot soldier and all.....civil servant.....Raaay seems to know his stuff about all that, whereas i rely on the advice of others......but we do have similar assessments concerning the level of bull poop eminating from Bogota sources....that much is true....jajajjaja

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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Cerealkiller says on Sep 1, 2007, 03:32:

I think that has been happening for a very long time. And not just solely for anchor babies...if you look at the recent history, MANY very wealthy people used to -and still- fly to the us just to have their kids. Colombians used to only go to Panama, and their kids would be US citizens...MANY of my friends were born in New York or Miami, just because their parents wanted to keep them from the colombian visa nightmare, and of course so that they could go to university in the US for less. None of these families stayed in the US, never paid US taxes, have never lived there...yet their kids enjoy all the benefits that come with being a us citizen. But this has been going on for at least 70 years.

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill

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miamimike says on Sep 1, 2007, 03:34:

CK-seen this many times, what you write, here in Miami.Anchor babies from various south american countries.

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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droble77 says on Sep 1, 2007, 11:23:

It all goes back to the legacy of slavery and the Civil War.

"Jus soli" or "right of the territory" does not exist in most of Europe or Asia, but it is a part of English common law and is common in the Americas.

And in any case the "due process" and "equal protection" clauses apply to PERSONS not just citizens within federal and state jurisdiction. . . which is why the detainees are in Gitmo, because I believe technically speaking, we are just "renting" the place from Fidel. :-))

I don't see ANY chance within the near future of a change in the 14th Amendment just because of illegal aliens/immigrants. That would take a 2/3 vote in both houses of Congress and then 3/4 majority of ratification by the states. Extremely unlikely.

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Mr. Hollywood says on Sep 6, 2007, 13:42:

I know a number of VERY rich Colombian who flew to the US to have their babies for EXACTLY that reason. So it's hardly a Mexican thing.

Funny, though, that we've had that in our constitution for so long, through wave after wave of immigration, and it hasn't caused our country to collapse.

I wonder if people would prefer a system like Kuwait's or Saudi Arabia's where a family can live there for multiple generations of people born in the country and still not qualify for citizenship.

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Sep 6, 2007, 15:48:

I wonder if the VERY rich Colombians paid the hospitals in the U.S. for the delivery of their babies and any necessary follow-up services?

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