"Americanos all look a like"

kernow62 says on Dec 7, 2007, 13:21:

Fat?

Adanimal says on Dec 7, 2007, 13:26:

I in general I could see why people would assume that of americans.

You don't know your there until your there!

aztec says on Dec 7, 2007, 13:28:

Exact same comment my wife said to me. Surprised me because in the South that racist(?) comment was reserved for another ethnic group. That was one more example of my education. Learned how the phrase might offend people.

kernow62 says on Dec 7, 2007, 13:32:

It is easy to spot most Americans in Colombia, it doesn't mean the look alike but there is certainly something that is an identifier.

gatogris says on Dec 7, 2007, 13:33:

at least we're not all swarthy, dusky, greasy, crafty, knife-wielding, cowardly, lazy, incompetent, corrupt tin-pot strongmen with a thin mustache smoking a cheroot...

scotty says on Dec 7, 2007, 13:40:

funny...to me sterotypes are just plain funny

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

Gator says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:02:

Gatorgris ROTFLMAO but you forgot sleeping under a palm tree with a huge sombrero with a burro tied near by..

Seriously, I have never heard that said in Colombia

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Mr. Hollywood says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:08:

We all look just like Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie in Mr. and Mrs Smith, I think.

Adanimal says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:08:

I was too dumbfounded to say anything really after it was said I just went silent. Unexpected. Really I was kinda disappointed I thought I made an impression...Good, Bad...at least something. Oh well.

You don't know your there until your there!

gatogris says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:08:

How about lusting after blonde women, whispering filthy sweet nothings in their ears while pawing at them with their coarse hands?

kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:11:

JAJAJAJA Mr Hollywood

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:11:

Or...feeling attracted to blonde women, whispering sweet compliments in their ears, caressing them with their soft, well-manucured hands?

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:12:

I think gringos even smell different and they speak with a certain type of nasal intonation.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:13:

Myself I have hard time telling the orientals apart....they certainly all look alike.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:13:

JAJAJA Desi what their smell

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:13:

And before anybody gets their boxers in a knot....I'm just kidding, ok?

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:14:

To me if he is not stricking good looking then sorry guys " si te vi no me acuerdo "

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Leeroy says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:17:

While in South East Asia, I was told that all westerners (including myself) smelled of cheese.

kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:19:

Yes leeroy that is what Asian say , and British say Asian smell spices :))

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Simon says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:19:

"Americanos all look a like"



Well, don't they all look like Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise?

That's what one would think after how they gloat on here over how Colombianas just die to be with them.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:23:

chucha y pecueca

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:24:

desi jajajaja well yes many of them have chucha... sorry guys but this is true

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Lisa Zee says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:25:

Quienes desi?

kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:27:

Los extranjeros

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gatogris says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:27:

All I know is that Colombians definitely do not all look alike. There is the succulent, passionate mulata de la costa, the sleek, supple Calena with the piel canela, the fiercely celosa cream-complexioned paisa, the cosmoplitan, bohemian rola with the quick wit, and the innocent, fiel virgin de la zona cafetera, among others...

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:30:

yes, but it's chucha de la fina

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nueva york bombero says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:30:

You forgot the dark, mysterious types like Elmo!!!

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:32:

extranjera, importada

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:32:

Desi you are making me laugh so much jajajajja


gatogris you forgot the LLaneras (the cowboy girls) ;)))

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nueva york bombero says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:35:

All this chucha talk by the girls is great!! Keep it up!

kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:36:

ahem, Bomberito, this is another type of chucha jajaja

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gatogris says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:38:

kat, it isn't that I forgot, its just that I wanted to keep them a secret, all that riding bareback, you know ;))

nueva york bombero says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:38:

Que typo?

Lisa Zee says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:41:

Esto esta como loco!

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:42:

bomberito chucha in ordinary Colombian slang means B.O. especially whenit's located in your armpits.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:42:

yeah right gatogris i believe you ;)

Bombis, this chucha is BO heheh

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nueva york bombero says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:46:

You people just ruined my vision of "Chucha"!!!!!

gatogris says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:49:

Kat, desi, you're certainly right about the gringos in the Candelaria, a bunch of degraded, debased, unwashed alcoholics, cracked out trembling coke-heads and half-baked intellectuals stumbling around, too lazy to wash and with their brains in their salchichon

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:49:

and pecueca is B.O. in your feet haha

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gatogris says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:50:

now that's nasty

nueva york bombero says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:52:

I'm learning SO much here on PBH!!! Thanks Des! And Kat you too! I feel like you guys are my personal intelligence advisers.

kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:56:

Bombi always here to help a friend in need jajaj


gatogris no all gringos smell BO some smell Channel number 5 :)

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gatogris says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:57:

You mean those that like to do a little shopping at victoria secret?

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:57:

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:58:

especially if they're girls

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gatogris says on Dec 7, 2007, 14:59:

or if they've had a little work done by some swedish doctors and developed a different type of chucha

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:01:

it's chocha you were thinking about
don't gringo doctors do that?

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:02:

I think they do Desi.. they have done so many chochas that they lost count heheh

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gatogris says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:02:

I think even colombian doctors do that, but the best were the swedes, the originals..

gatogris says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:05:

do you suppose the word chocha comes from the word concha? after all there is some visual resemblance, as Georgia O'Keefe noticed...

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:06:

talking about doctors....are there still those invisible doctors in Colombia?

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:07:

nah on the coast of Colombia we call chucha the "vagina" on the interior of colombia they call chucha BO

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:07:

chocha is just the posh way heheh

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gatogris says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:07:

what's an invisible doctor?

Simon says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:07:

"talking about doctors....are there still those invisible doctors in Colombia?"

You mean like the ones Fernanda del Carpio wrote to in 'One Hundred Years of Solitude'?

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

gatogris says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:11:

kat, but that complicates things, isn't there some universal term? Or are colombianas so different that there is actually a need for two different words?

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:12:

Not posh, kat1, it's castizo. The Spanish slang word originally is "chocha", you costeño guys just got it mixed up with B.O.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:13:

Invisible doctors used to be a a real biggie in Latin America.....they'd even do surgeries and stuff while invisible

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gatogris says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:17:

desi, are you saying there's a reason the costenas use the word for BO for the word meaning "___?"

gatogris says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:17:

now that's a concept I really struggle with...

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:19:

I know...I haven't heard anything about the invisible doctors for a while....not since I returned home from Macondo

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:20:

me too :(

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gatogris says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:21:

How does one pay these mysterious doctors?

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:22:

You give them an invisible check

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gatogris says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:22:

Can one offer to barter some of Melquiades' goods?

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:23:

They used to be popular especially in Brasil, but U believe there were invisible doctors in Colombia too

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:24:

Ofrezca un vaso de agua a los Médicos invisibles de la Corte Blanca en la noche antes de acostarse, tómeselo en la mañana al levantarse, y dé gracias por su salud perfecta. Escriba sobre un papel blanco lo que desea mejorar en su cuerpo y su mente. Ubíquelo en una pequeña bandeja y sobre el papel escrito ponga tres piedrecitas de cuarzo. Luego, estas piedras las colocará en forma de pirámide con una luminaria blanca en el centro. Medite y déjese curar. Ore y dé gracias. Esto se puede hacer indefinidamente hasta que se sienta bien.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:25:

http://www.recetasmagicas.com/index.php?category=5

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gatogris says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:25:

So we are talking about un-registered, un-liscensed doctors willing to do risky, cosmetic surgery operations? Yikes.

gatogris says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:27:

Or mythical, spritual beings that one can pray to and enact rituals for good health?

kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:27:

that's it Desi, i am doing that, tomorrow i expect a 34 DD

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gatogris says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:28:

Or, somehow, crazily, both?

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:29:

Yes, the latter.
Even though invisible doctors is also a name for medicos sin fronteras
But I was talking about these macondian entities that cure your diseases whenyou're asleep

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gatogris says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:32:

Well, I like the sound of them. Now that's a health care system I could really grow to appreciate. I'm signing up.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:33:

hahahahaa
I gotta get some sleep...perhaps I'll wake up looking like angelina

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gatogris says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:34:

nah, she's a weird alian sex-bot looking person...better not...later

kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:35:

Yeah desi you look fine as you are.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:35:

and you got a GORGEOUS SON

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:37:

Oh thanks, kat, I'll let him know you said that...he's going to like it so much

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:39:

ok...I got couple of other things I'll talk to my invisible doctors tonight about....but no surgeries!!! I'd hate to wake up in the morning minus a kidney!

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:45:

LOL desi i would be scare just know he is invisible heheh

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:47:

I believe this thing about medicos invisibles is something my rosacrucista friends were talking about

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Lisa Zee says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:55:

This post took like fire.

Lisa Zee says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:56:

And here is my Gringo, and he smells like a man!

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 7, 2007, 15:58:

Yeah, we did something like 80 posts in couple of hours...but i'm off to bed now, it's 1 a.m and gotta hundred of things to do tomorrow...
cheers,
Desi

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goin_south says on Dec 7, 2007, 16:09:

simon, it's not gloating.. jus the facts, sir..... quack, quack.

and, thank you.

Simon says on Dec 7, 2007, 16:35:

Yeah, and you all looking like Brad Pitt is a fact too I'm sure, haha.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

Simon says on Dec 7, 2007, 16:40:

Here's the perfect man for the Colombianas:


http://www.flashfunpages.com/couple.swf

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

Lisa Zee says on Dec 7, 2007, 16:42:

Back to topic. One time in Medellin when my son was very young, everyone called him Gringo. he asked me "why I am not blond and blue eyed?".
When he was older his cousins will tease him calling him "Gringo montanero"LOL.

gabolicious says on Dec 7, 2007, 16:55:

I am blond and blue eyed and colombians, nor mexicans, nor argentinians have called me gringo...
thank God I'm latino... Adanimal you should've asked the woman why all gringos look alike...

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Lisa Zee says on Dec 7, 2007, 16:58:

Maybe you don`t speak Espanish with an accent.

gabolicious says on Dec 7, 2007, 17:03:

Lisa there is no reason for me to speak spanish with english-speaker accent... I was born in a Latin country and my parents are latinos too. Never lived in an english speaker country...

I speak colombian, argentinian, mexican...

=)

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scotty says on Dec 7, 2007, 17:03:

all us gringos do look alike, kind of a cross between Elvis Presley and Brad Pitt.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

john_stark says on Dec 7, 2007, 17:08:

Hell, I'm a gringo and I think they all do look alike. I've spent some time at the mall people watching and among white people there are only a couple of different looks. Once you've seen them you've seen them all. There is probably even less variation among the gringos that Colombians see - for sure they are not seeing the best specimens. All the ones I've seen deserve to be beaten, kidnapped and killed just for being so damm ugly.

jay007 says on Dec 7, 2007, 17:26:

im gonna probaly get into some fights when i go in Febuary cause I on the other hand do not look like a typical american..and i dont give a shi* about nothing and im gonna end up getting drunk and flirting with someones girlfriend and there gonna say something smart and BOW a sudden right hand is gonna connect and that will be the end of that. i might get shanked but my lil homeboy coffee bean (who i met on here) is gonna have my back he runs things out there in medellin...aint that right CB??? haha...i love how yall girls say jajaja

adam23723 says on Dec 7, 2007, 17:35:

That is really not very surprising. Something I have learned from my limited travels to Colombia is that Colombians are boldly racist.

In-bound immigration processors give nothing but attitude and most people walking down the street give dirty looks. Even if I am not alone, taxis often raise the fare by 50% and I've had people at multiple shops try to slyly remove price tags and charge me double during checkout. Yes, double. Surprisingly, police and military seem to be only people who are consistently cheerful and polite.

No, I'm not a fat, bald, loud, old sleeze making scenes or cruising for hookers. I'm a 20-something guy who speaks barely passable Spanish and bothers no one on my business trips.

Simon says on Dec 7, 2007, 17:47:

"Something I have learned from my limited travels to Colombia is that Colombians are boldly racist"


Where are you from? 'Cause if you're from where I think you're from, that statement coming from you is hilarious!

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

gabolicious says on Dec 7, 2007, 17:54:

racists? Just because someone doubles the fee?

pobres!!! verdad? malditos colombianos abusivos...

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Lisa Zee says on Dec 7, 2007, 18:50:

gabolicious: there are millions of blond blue eyes people in Medellin and other cities, but the point is... "blond blues eyed with an accent". We don`t call Argentines (mostly blond b/e) gringos. that is the point.

slguy says on Dec 7, 2007, 19:35:

In another thread someone complained about being discrimated against, when they were the only ones to have their passport checked at the border, on a bus, I believe.

I couldn't help giggling. If that's the kind of discrimination I have to suffer through- bring it on.

Some folks are just short of things to feel slighted about, I guess. Price tags and passport checks? PUHLEASE

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

Portena says on Dec 7, 2007, 20:00:

I have been informed I have several clones wandering around the midwestern United States. As far as I know they haven't traveled to Colombia yet...

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Adanimal says on Dec 7, 2007, 20:02:

Gabolicious...Maybe I will ask the woman when I see her. I'll post her response here. I'd be curious to hear the response as well...

You don't know your there until your there!

scotty says on Dec 7, 2007, 23:06:

what a silly thread. look you can go anywhere in the world Europe, mexico, USA, Colombia China where ever and you are going to see people that smell good and people that smell bad, you are gonna see the beautiful people and you are gonna see the uglies, you're gonna see rich and you're gonna see poor, every country every culture has their own version of the good, the ugly and the bad. its the world, its the way things are, its the way things have always been, live with it.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

goin_south says on Dec 8, 2007, 00:02:

a blonde? blue-eyed Mexican? Imagine that!

and, thank you.

Lostgringo says on Dec 8, 2007, 00:37:

Regardless of stereo typing you'd think she would have remembered you. So much for that personal touch in business. I'll bet she would have remembered you if you gave her perfume lol. Extra money for her boss meant nothing to her it seems. Take your business elsewhere. If you're in Bogotá we have some great deals.

www.apartmentinbogota.com

Your Home Away from Home:http://www.welovebogota.com http://www.apartmentinbogota.com "Luxury apartment and rooms Cheap" Only 2 blocks from the American Embassy!

scotty says on Dec 8, 2007, 01:03:

GS, i met a girl from Mexico City once with blondish/brown hair and blue eyes, she was beautiful.

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

minina says on Dec 8, 2007, 04:35:

My aunt's husband is white really white and blond. He is Mexican. When I saw him in a picture from a trip to Europe, I confused him with a white European.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 8, 2007, 04:55:

I met a Mexican woman in CR; she was blonder than me and had blue eyes, also very tall. She looked like the European, not me.

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Dec 8, 2007, 08:24:

I met a blonde girl, she lives on a hill,
she won't do it but her sister will.

john_stark says on Dec 8, 2007, 08:26:

You learn something new on PBH every day. I never knew that most Argentines were blondes with blue eyes. Wow! Where have they all been hiding? Most of them look like Italians from Naples to me.

And there are millions of blond blue eyed people in Medellin? Well, you do see some, but millions? I must have missed that.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 8, 2007, 09:43:

Tinto....don't tell me that her name started with a B...and she wasn't a very good skater?

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Lisa Zee says on Dec 8, 2007, 09:46:

Go to Marinilla, next to Rionegro and you will see real blonds and blue eyed people, and most care takes are b/b/e. My dad side of the family 90% were b/b/e. my cousin worked at the American Embassy in Bogota and everyone thought she was "Norteamericana". People from Antioquia are like that. I read that north Europeans settle there way back when; however we don`t call them Gringos, they speak Spanish. I was just making a point to GLOBALISIOUS.
Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, they are very North European looking.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 8, 2007, 09:51:

what's b/b/e

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Tinto (Moderator) says on Dec 8, 2007, 09:54:

Nope, Desi, I was feeling left out... I needed to add my two cents about meeting a blonde person. And Dogman is correct, I borrowed from song lyrics.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 8, 2007, 09:59:

You ought to come out more often, Tinto:)
We were having a great time here yesterday.
On this very thread.

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goin_south says on Dec 8, 2007, 10:04:

hey jay007, maybe you should be in the ring with Mayweather tonight in Medellin.....

and, thank you.

Lisa Zee says on Dec 8, 2007, 10:41:

b/b/e= Blond/blue/eyed

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 8, 2007, 10:45:

ok thanks Lisa, that's whay I thought

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 8, 2007, 10:45:

I resd "bible" first...

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goin_south says on Dec 8, 2007, 11:22:

hey liza... is that new avatar a foto of your casa in Colombia?
Nice.

and, thank you.

john_stark says on Dec 8, 2007, 11:28:

(Deleted)South American who is always trying to minimize how dark most South Americans are and maximize how much they look Nordic. I've been there lady and they don't look Nordic. As though North European were somehow superior. They don't look north European - they look South European.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 8, 2007, 11:38:

Lisa is right about those communities she is talking about, plenty of blonde people there. I know personally several. On the road to Lago Calima from Cali we stopped by a roadside fritanga plce and shared a table with some people from that area...the lady was white, blonde and blue-eyed, looked totally North European to us. We asked her and she had not a drop of recent European blood in her veins. Nobody is saying that MOST Colombians look like that, only that in Antioquia there are communities with a suprisingly large percentage of fair-skinned and blue-eyed people. Lots of inbreeding, of course.

Now, what you think about Lisa as a person is of no interest to this forum. Please edit your post or I'll delete it. You've got 5 minutes.

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Lisa Zee says on Dec 8, 2007, 11:41:

It is the finca in Rionegro/llanogrnande, about 45 minutes from my apartment in Poblado/ Medellin. Next time we go you and Nadia are invited.
Got to go, the beach is waiting. I won`t sit here much longer, the day is beautiful and the rain left.

gatogris says on Dec 8, 2007, 12:13:

Desi, why "surprising?" Race is entirely socially constructed. Our genome shares 92 to 95 percent of its genetic material with a fruit fly, and 98 percent with the rhesus macaque, a particularly cute non-human primate (http://www.bioinfo-online.net/modules/news/index.php?storytopic=0&star...).

Stereotypes are funny little cultural human stories we tell each other about ourselves, that can nevertheless turn ugly. But the hutus and the tutsis are hopelessly mixed. So were the serbs, croats and bosnian muslims. I come from a relatively old 'white' family in the US, where in the 19th century to have "Indian" blood was okay, but black was terrible. I saw an old daguerreotype of members of my family and there was a black guy standing at the back. I asked my grandmother who he was and she said "oh, that's your great-great uncle Horace. He was 100 percent pure Blackfoot Indian." Well, needless to say, he might have had a black foot, but he weren't no injun.

Genetically speaking we all have the same mother, she dates back 200,000 years (a blink of an eye in evolutionary time), and has been named Mitochondrial Eve by genteic researchers. Race is sensitive stuff, but I'm with Lisa Zee, when the conversation starts to get intense around race and what it means, best just head for the beach.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 8, 2007, 12:24:

Let's just say that I was surprised. Or rather that it was not what I expected. Yes, these are touchy issues, but I guess I lack a certain sensitivity in this area, because coming from such a heteregenous background (saw my first live black person as a teenager...) I never really understood why it would matter so much.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

john_stark says on Dec 8, 2007, 15:28:

So I remain hopeful that the next time Lisa Zee refers to my wife as a whore, you'll delete that too.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 8, 2007, 15:35:

Absolutely.
If I don't. contact me per pm, I don't read all the comments.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

Lisa Zee says on Dec 8, 2007, 15:39:

Mentiroso!, I have NEVER said that, prove it!. He called a prepago many times!!!
I feel like in elementary school!

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 8, 2007, 15:43:

Isn't the ignore button working?

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

deathnova says on Dec 8, 2007, 15:44:

There's nothing wrong with being a prepago ;)

Lisa Zee says on Dec 8, 2007, 15:47:

NO, how can I ignore a big lie with my name in it?. OK mother superior, LOL no more, I will write to you directly next time.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 8, 2007, 15:49:

Lisa, go to john_stark's profile, under his avatar click on "ignore user". You won't have to read anything he says after that.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

Lisa Zee says on Dec 8, 2007, 15:50:

OK Thanks : )

slguy says on Dec 8, 2007, 15:55:

You know, Desi, I'm surprised. It's pretty easy to guess who the jerk is in this situation - or in almost any post he makes. I can count on one hand the number of productive, contributory posts he has made that I read. Why does Lisa need to use the ignore button?

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 8, 2007, 16:00:

I don't think you have the big picture of this situation sailguy. It's a long story.
If Lisa blocks his comments it's easier for me to deal with him. I'll look into it later.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

slguy says on Dec 8, 2007, 16:48:

far be it from me to be critical desi - I only know what I read.

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

msaucey says on Dec 8, 2007, 17:38:

Wow, I'm glad we're in an adult forum.... geez....

What, it's like a war out here....

Desi, just wanted to say... Good job, I like the way you are trying to be peaceful and tactful in trying to separate the two...

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

goin_south says on Dec 8, 2007, 17:48:

Hey, come on! PBFH will never be the same!
no fighting, no fussin....
no more cat & dog fights betw Lz and j_s.
Soon, pbh will be PLAIN......GRINGOOOO.....VANILLA..

and, thank you.

goin_south says on Dec 8, 2007, 17:49:

this sucks! I have only aobut three more months of
'necessary entertainment'...
lighten up Dezi

and, thank you.

msaucey says on Dec 8, 2007, 17:50:

GS, don't worry.... You know there will always be another fight between 2 different PBH's.. Just give it a week or so...

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

goin_south says on Dec 8, 2007, 17:50:

no 'holding member hands'...
if they can't find the ignore button,
they deserve the abuse! jejje

and, thank you.

goin_south says on Dec 8, 2007, 17:51:

I think it's a LOVE/HATE RELATION, anyway....
you can't throw one out without the other...

and, thank you.

msaucey says on Dec 8, 2007, 17:54:

We always need a good handful of fighters to keep the mods on their toes....

=)

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

manINred says on Dec 8, 2007, 18:12:

"You learn something new on PBH every day. I never knew that most Argentines were blondes with blue eyes. Wow! Where have they all been hiding? Most of them look like Italians from Naples to me."

haha, they're not hiding, they just don't exist in the proportions described! Just look at the Argentinian national team for proof of that. The only blondie on the team went bald, and he had arguably fairly brown hair in the first place! Many immigrants from Italy, which is why they look so italian! Most are dark haired.

"And there are millions of blond blue eyed people in Medellin? Well, you do see some, but millions? I must have missed that"

Despite there being a higher proportion of 'white' people in Medellin, it is fairly rare that you see anyone who is naturally blonde. I saw a natural redhead paisa once, pretty surprising. The blondes exist, but CLEARLY not in the millions. They exist as a small percentage of Medellin's population.

I think it's common that unfamiliar races look all the same to one, so the white race should be no exception.

Lisa Zee says on Dec 8, 2007, 18:26:

I pushed the button........ BUT "a las cucarachas no las mata nada, ni nadie"

goin_south says on Dec 8, 2007, 18:27:

be honest; you'll miss 'm. jjej

and, thank you.

msaucey says on Dec 8, 2007, 18:33:

Lisa... it's... yerba mala nunca muere.... lol...

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

Lisa Zee says on Dec 8, 2007, 18:35:

Si, eso tambien! ya veremos!

slguy says on Dec 8, 2007, 18:38:

wait a minute! all americans look alike? does this mean I have webbed feet and an orange beak,and never knew it?

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

Lisa Zee says on Dec 8, 2007, 18:39:

How does it work?, he makes a s--- comment and I won`t see it?!. He will reencarnate into another name!. (see comment above) LOL

msaucey says on Dec 8, 2007, 18:44:

slguy, it's been a while since you've looked in the mirror... we're sorry to tell you the truth....

looks like a duck, quacks like a duck... must be a gringo....

JUST KIDDING!!! Nobody start coming down on me, just playing with slguy...

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

slguy says on Dec 8, 2007, 19:33:

I think I'll go buy a new mirror. This one seems to be lying to me. ;)

Before you throw me out, make sure I pay my bar tab

Adanimal says on Dec 8, 2007, 20:04:

It's funny...I joined this sight a long time ago before I was coming to Colombia the first time (different name ..lost the password info) got a little info then split. I'm coming again and got some info and brought up some thoughts. (this and the Gringo offensive one) and man, these 2 threads really kicked off!

I've really gotten an idea of how the community works. It's nice to feel part of something even if your a spectator. I'm sure there are twice (maybe more?) as many readers as writers. From what I've read some of the writers seem to be real celebrities here (or want to be anyway). I see now that verbal sparring is the name of the game. Kind of reminds me of the brown cafes in the Netherlands where they drink (mostly beer) and try to trump one another by commanding the conversation. Interesting. I don't know if I will write enough to be "accepted" but thanks for the education. It's nice to know people still like using there brains by interacting with one another, other then sitting passively infront of the computer or tv. Cuidate

You don't know your there until your there!

miamimike says on Dec 8, 2007, 21:40:

PBH is rather boring these days comapred to when I joined a few years ago. We used to have some pretty good discussions from Gomezman. He world write an Epic Post sometimes 2-4 paragraphs long. He was the life of the party. I miss him, wish he would come back!

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.,

goin_south says on Dec 9, 2007, 00:04:

He is......... was...............entertaining, 2 say the least.
Maybe G5 is sick; didn't appear 2 me to be a real healthy guy...
and, ... maybe the parrots got out of de cages and got the best of 'm.

and, thank you.

kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 9, 2007, 07:32:

GIB you can wear all the "Colombian clothes you want, even to dress as Juan Valdez but you will still look gringo! And i mean you in particular ... there are some gringos that looks "Colombian" but sorry, deat nope, you are a gringo from top to bottom ;)))

engage brain before opening mouth

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 9, 2007, 08:12:

LOL kat, you mean he could wear the ruana, the mustach and the sombrero and walk Conchita the mule up and down the street and people would say hey look, there goes a gringo!

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 9, 2007, 08:16:

JAJAJA desi, yes! you can put GIB with all the blond blue eyes from Colombia and still GIB will BE SPOT AS THE GRINGO :)))))

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 9, 2007, 08:17:

Sorry GIB i think you were the muse for the word Gringo hehehe

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gabolicious says on Dec 9, 2007, 08:49:

sorry Lisa Zee I didn't get your point... can you explain again???

"The new land of opportunities: Colombia!" ----- Mr Miguel_Clavo on PBH

Lisa Zee says on Dec 9, 2007, 09:07:

OK lets try another 300 posts. LOL

gabolicious says on Dec 9, 2007, 09:11:

yeah please...

"The new land of opportunities: Colombia!" ----- Mr Miguel_Clavo on PBH

Lisa Zee says on Dec 9, 2007, 09:25:

All this blah, blah, blah, that got even in trouble trying to explain to you about B/B/E... and just NOW you show up!!!! man, where were you!!! LOL

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 9, 2007, 10:25:

Maybe, it depends on how heavy your accent is. Sometimes it's better to speak little of the language of the country and be treated as a visitor and a tourist than speak with a bad accent but fluently. You lose all the benefit of the traditional courtesy and hospitality tended to a visitor; instead you become one of those gringos living here ...
I agree with you, being too chatty and too nice is not always good. With authorities, the DAS, the police etc, I am always very polite, but do not volunteer with more information than needed. With taxi drivers...well, I greet, give them the address, suggestion for the shortest or most convenient route and pay rounding up. Yes, and close the door softly. But no chitchat.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

kernow62 says on Dec 9, 2007, 10:32:

I have a confession, I went to Chicago and took care of G5. He won't be back.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 9, 2007, 10:44:

What did you do with his parrot? Did you "take care" of it too?

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 9, 2007, 11:09:

JAJAJA Kernow...
Desi he is having the parrot for christmas dinner :)

engage brain before opening mouth

kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 9, 2007, 11:14:

Chinos, Japanesse, Vietnamese they all look a like..........do they??


I have lots of Japaneses friends here and now I am starting to see the different between the Chinese and Japanese, before to me they all look the same :(

engage brain before opening mouth

kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 9, 2007, 11:22:

GIB You can wear a balaclava and still people will say there goes the gringo hehehhe

engage brain before opening mouth

gatogris says on Dec 9, 2007, 11:56:

According to the American Pyschology Association, 'they' all look alike to us not because we can't tell the difference between people of a different racial category than ours, but because we don't want to.

http://www.apa.org/monitor/dec00/lookalike.html

Racial categorization may have served some evolutionary function at one time, but now I would say that difference preserves our own identity. That's why its fun for grumpy bigots to live in a foreign country - always something to gripe about. "Damn Colombians, they just don't know how to do x right."

And kat's right, we don't need to see faces or hear voices to know someone's different, hundreds of different subtle cues embedded in body language and patterns of dress clue us in to the other in our midst.

Except for me. I blend in seamlessly.

goin_south says on Dec 9, 2007, 12:19:

While walking through el centro of whichever town in Colombia... I always see some colombian business men walking in pretty much what I would consider 'normal business wear' in eeuu, with briefcase in hand.

and, thank you.

kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 9, 2007, 12:54:

ahem...GIB who says about good body, nice face hehehe o/j

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 9, 2007, 12:55:

My experiences have all been good, but I've heard some people say that. My father-in-law used to tell me that my Spanish was too good, it was bad for business, since Colombians looked up to foreigners and I was not sounding so much like a foreigner any longer. But then again, I lived in Colombia for over 12 years, got married, had my babies, had the school and was very much part of the community there, both professionally (my teaching degree is from a Cali college) and socially. I had virtually no gringo friends at all, after the first five years. I had pretty much gone over the wall, become a local, even if my friends and family there were always aware that I was a foreigner, that was not the first thing they thought when they thought about me.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 9, 2007, 13:06:

Oh, I know that. Most gringos that I know in Cali, who live there, are a good-looking bunch. It's the ones that come on those tours shopping for a wife that are the pasty, fat, ugly ones.

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 9, 2007, 13:10:

LOL GIB..... Your are alright i supposed :))))
alto, delgadito, buen mozo hehehe

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Dec 9, 2007, 13:14:

hehehe, i though you fancy her hehehe

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goin_south says on Dec 9, 2007, 19:04:

In five trips to Colombia...
I still don't think I've seen more than...
maybe 10 gringos....
that I knew were.

'course... I wasn't lookin for 'm either.

and, thank you.

msaucey says on Dec 9, 2007, 21:06:

I saw a good handful of gringos.... But, we were in Monserrate and of course that is a tourist hot spot.... I think they were a bit surprised that I asked them to take a picture of me and the family in english.... They were like, ummm, sure...

The trouble about trying to make yourself stupider than you really are is that you very often succeed. - CS Lewis

Man Tequila says on Dec 9, 2007, 23:40:

I saw a handful of gringos in Cartagena, Poblado, Bogota Beer Company and tourist spots like El Volcan. I saw almost no gringos in every other part of the country I went to. Colombia is not yet Mexico.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

GregYohn says on Dec 10, 2007, 10:19:

Hola!

OK, ready to laugh? I met my GF's cousin in Bogota last Easter and he looked like he was PA Dutch! For those of you who do not know, PA Dutch is actually the old Germans that came to the USA in the 1700's and were in PA and other future States. They actually outnumbered the Inglis, but were not in the political centers before USA was a country.

12VOIP.com gives free calls to Colombia.Greg

elmodefoque says on Dec 10, 2007, 10:33:

greg, i think i see another gringo in the back with a cap between them thar 2 broads

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

elmodefoque says on Dec 10, 2007, 10:35:

sorry but them thar folks from bogota, in the background look like ecuatorianos

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

elmodefoque says on Dec 10, 2007, 10:37:

not to dump on my colombiano brothers but looking at greg's pic i get that andean city feeling in my stomach, sad and quiet with no sun insight.

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

elmodefoque says on Dec 10, 2007, 10:38:

where is the modefoque selling cerveza fria and where are the modefouqe playin Vallenatos?

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

elmodefoque says on Dec 10, 2007, 10:42:

gib, whatta ya mean, is it very injun?

over 5 million colombianos in USA and only 27 barranquilleros, i'm one.Curramba, el mejor vividero del mundo!

elmodefoque says on Dec 10, 2007, 10:46:

you see that broad with the bright RED sweater, that there is a typical injun body, no ass, no hips and big back.
See the one walking with the women IN yellow dress, the same , no ass, big waist and no hips, you don