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and I can't believe the eulogies in El Tiempo and the other Colombian newspapers. A corrupt politician, if there ever was one.
By jaramillo on Jul 11, 2007, 10:45 in Friendly Talkzone.
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juancegomez says on Jul 11, 2007, 11:25: Most people, and especially the media, tend to remember the more positive aspects of the recently deceased, as they understand them, so it's no surprise.
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Simon says on Jul 11, 2007, 11:25: May he rest in peace. HERE'S SIMON!!!! |
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bufalo says on Jul 11, 2007, 12:22: I don't know who he was, but that whole thing of being an angel once your dead is BS to me. I've been in several funerals where it was a real SOB that died. Noone said that of course.... I say if someone's an A-hole, then say so, alive or dead. Look at all the mob guys - same thing, always a group of idiots crying about them saying "but I knew him differently" - big deal. "If you don't like it - lump it, take it down the road and dump it." - Archie Bunker played by Carroll O'Connor |
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Simon says on Jul 11, 2007, 14:01: Alfonso López Michelsen 1913-2007 HERE'S SIMON!!!! |
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Sr Tertius says on Jul 11, 2007, 19:53: Sorry Jaramillo, but in relative terms, Lopez Michelsen is far from the most corrupt in Colombia, particularly if you consider how the bar has gone way up lately. What most people didn't like about him was that he was very partisan and very proud of it. I was no particular fan of him, mostly because I've never been a big fan of the Liberal party, but I must respect the effort he put on the causes he believed on, when he could not aspire to anything but to see the kind of Colombia he wanted. "When the finger points to the moon, the fool looks at the finger" (Chinese proverb) |
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Simon says on Jul 11, 2007, 19:55: Lopez Michelson also fought for civil rights in Colombia, for minorities and women. HERE'S SIMON!!!! |
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Simon says on Jul 11, 2007, 21:58: Colombian ex-president Lopez Michelesen dies HERE'S SIMON!!!! |
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jaramillo says on Jul 12, 2007, 07:01: Sorry Tertius but it is a bad idea to defend a corrupt politician on the basis of other politicians being even more corrupt. What one should emphasize is the role that the accused (L. Michelsen) played in getting us where we are. And I never said hes was stupid. Quite the contrary, and for that I fault him doubly. And of course he did some good things. Dirty politicians always do.
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Cerealkiller says on Jul 12, 2007, 07:07: I am going to defend the deceased just because he was waaaay more progressive than any of the inept jerks who are currently running the country. I sincerely wish there were more open minds in Colombia...or people willing to embrace progress in politics. At 94, this man was more tolerant of diversity than any other middle aged politician. What a shame. Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives -John Stuart Mill |
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Sr Tertius says on Jul 17, 2007, 21:18: Sorry again Jaramillo, but as I said, I was no big fan of the man. I was not excusing him for anything, but pointing out that in relative terms, he was one of the less worse we've had. His presidency was quite progressive, and left Colombia with economic indicators that no one yet has been able to match (>8% GDP growth, for example). He was accused of particular incidents that seem rather minuscule by today's standards. The most substantial accusation is that under his administration the narcos were allowed to start growing, which would prove to be a problem for Colombia. I'm not aware, however, of any opinion at that time suggesting that that had to be a security priority for Colombia: All the accusations were done with the benefit of hindsight. "When the finger points to the moon, the fool looks at the finger" (Chinese proverb) |
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