After a few JD's and coke we decided to move to Bogota...

Peter (Moderator) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Jan 6, 2007, 14:43:

AnaZaple says on Jan 6, 2007, 14:51:

Will start saving our pennies then.... Peter, thank you so much for your reply. I guess I'm just scared of leaving my 'comfort zone'. I'm not the adventurous type and making a big move like this is quite daunting... If I could I'll go tomorrow, but need to consider so many things and need to save every penny 'cause, although everything maybe cheaper in Colombia, we still need to pay for a lot of things once we get there and before we start earning...
About words of wisdom... just wanted to know about other people's experiences and get some tips.... I should know, I'm colombian but it's like if it's the first time I'm visiting... how weird..

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goin_south says on Jan 6, 2007, 15:54:

was it the JD? or,....COKE?
I think you need to reconsider,...
after a few bongs.

Es el año, 2007: El año del gringo

“ I would rather be a conservative nut job rather than a liberal with no nuts and no job.” But, really what I am is a colombiana's sex slave; she took me by force, and I submitted ;-)

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Blondie says on Jan 6, 2007, 16:19:

Good luck with your decision! how did a colombian woman find herself in the UK???

I think I'd go insane listening to that accent 24/7... its so hard to understand what they say! It must have been really hard for a non-native English speaker to understand them!

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 6, 2007, 16:23:

I beg to disagree, blondie for a Colombian, I believe the British accent is easier on the ear than the American one.

Cheers,
Desi


"Soy el que siempreanda de noche en el vecindario, sé cuando ladra el perro, sé cuando canta el gallo sé cuando estan dormidos los muchachos de mi barrio..." (From the joropo "El pajarillo")

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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aztec says on Jan 6, 2007, 17:23:

AnaZaple I am not about... ...to discourage you and your husband on your desire to move to Colombia. Search this site using different parameters and you will find a great deal of information from people who have attempted the move before you. It can be done but you will need to spend some serious time in the preparation.

There are real problems but none of them are insurmountable. You will run into many bureaucratic and logistical obstacles. You are making a life changing move so lay out a well thought out plan for this transition.

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 6, 2007, 17:30:

I think you should definitely go. The fewer Colombians bitching and moaning about life in US/UK the better. Are you sure that you can't persuade ALL your expat country men to go back with you?

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robi666 says on Jan 6, 2007, 17:32:

Does it include your wife, Utopia? :-)

what we do in life... echoes in eternity.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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scotty says on Jan 6, 2007, 23:13:

pythons children and python snakes? brilliant

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

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AnaZaple says on Jan 7, 2007, 02:27:

Thank you everyone.... ... for taking time in replying.
Well, it wasn't just the jd or the coke; it has been an idea we contemplated when we got married but never really took on until now.
I know we have to plan carefully; we have to get our hands dirty and we are not afraid of hard work; it's the change that is scary.
How did I end up here? Sometimes I ask that myself... :) I finished uni in Bogota, came to learn a bit of english for a year, met the man who is my husband today, went back home for 6 months to think things through and then returned to the UK to get married... the pythons are my husband's passion and I particularly don't draw any attention to them so my babies are not that bothered really; we keep them locked in their cages... the pythons of course!
I'm not moaning about life in the UK, but the weather is a bit of a pain. I have a job I love and my boss is a really nice lady; my family-in-law treat me like a daughter and are fantastic; of course there are many advantages of living in the UK but 'la tierrita' is always making its call and I miss 'ajiaco' on sundays and 'tamal' for breakfast.
The accent... well... I always found the Queen's english easy to understand; there are accents that were a mystery to me at the beginning and some still are.
I live in the South West (Devon) and I never wanted to live in London or any big city cause when I was learning english I wanted as little contact as possible with spanish speakers; that way I could improve my english a lot faster.
So I hope I have covered most of your comments.... if I missed anyone I apologise...
Thank you....

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alejis says on Jan 7, 2007, 09:35:

Re: HOW?
How did that happen? Many, many Colombian women are into marrying foreigners because it a status symbol.

Ask me about COlombia!

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goin_south says on Jan 7, 2007, 10:11:

alejis.... now, that particular slant, 'status symbol'..... I don't ever remember that particular slant being played out here on pbh. Maybe, a new thread?

“ I would rather be a conservative nut job rather than a liberal with no nuts and no job.” But, really what I am is a colombiana's sex slave; she took me by force, and I submitted ;-)

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goin_south says on Jan 7, 2007, 10:11:

Es el año, 2007: El año del gringo

“ I would rather be a conservative nut job rather than a liberal with no nuts and no job.” But, really what I am is a colombiana's sex slave; she took me by force, and I submitted ;-)

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 7, 2007, 17:43:

My wife never complains about life here. Either she likes it a lot or she knows I would send her pretty little ass back to Colombia.

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Blondie says on Jan 7, 2007, 17:54:

Ha UC... you talk to big.. i bet you are like a little puppy dog when it comes to her..

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 7, 2007, 18:02:

Well you got the dog part right. Arf! Arf!

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AnaZaple says on Jan 8, 2007, 06:09:

Utopia & Blondie Thank you for your comments. I respect your views but would you mind taking your bickering somewhere else... Thanks.

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AnaZaple says on Jan 8, 2007, 06:25:

Status symbol? I don't think so! At least not for me. Marrying a foreigner was the last thing I wanted when I came to the UK first time. But we fell in love the moment we met! I consider myself a very lucky person for having a wonderful man by my side and who I can call not just my husband but my friend.
I leave the 'status symbol' for the pretentious, gold-digging colombian women who make the rest of us look bad...
Marrying a foreigner doesn't necessarily bring love, respect, security. I've heard of some marriages where sadly he is a wife beater and she takes it just to keep her visa... that is not a life worth living. Others don't let their wives have any contact with their families in Colombia (or in their country of origin).
Of course there are a lot of cases like mine and I'm sure not everyone does it just to show off..

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 8, 2007, 07:10:

NOT a satus symbol, except maybe for the girls from the poorest barrios and lowest socioeconomic stratas. From middle to high, a girl with a good solid family background , private school education and perhaps a college degree still marries a foreigner, but not because he's a foreigner but rather because love happens.

Cheers,
Desi

"Soy el que siempreanda de noche en el vecindario, sé cuando ladra el perro, sé cuando canta el gallo sé cuando estan dormidos los muchachos de mi barrio..." (From the joropo "El pajarillo")

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Wastelandlive says on Jan 8, 2007, 11:37:

Hell... I suspect at the highest social stratus, marrying a foreigner is actually looked DOWN upon. Well, certainly the kind of foreigner that frequents this site, anyways.

We're the big rich dudes to some 95% of Colombia. To the upperclass we're like cockroaches. That's pretty funny when you reflect on how many of them are one or two generations from the narcotraficing patriarch who first built the fortune.

But there it is: it's not an egalitarian society. You're very much judged by your wealth, and it cuts both ways.

Wasteland

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poco says on Jan 8, 2007, 11:57:

You got it right !!!! But there it is: it's not an egalitarian society. You're very much judged by your wealth, and it cuts both ways.

Where I live there are quite a few who come into town three or four times a year. I seriously doubt many posters on this site could afford the horse they ride in parades. I've been to the auctions,, 100 Million an UP.

Getting ready for a good time at the Christmas Parade.

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." Quote - General Tommy Franks

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Blondie says on Jan 8, 2007, 12:16:

I wasnt bickering with anyone.. it was just ONE comment...

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 8, 2007, 22:02:

Speak for yourself. I was bickering.

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 8, 2007, 22:12:

I was watching the Keeneland auction on the horse racing channel last night. For some of the horses the bidding started at $1 million and several that I watched sell went for over $5 million. Of course the bulk of the horses sold for about $50,000 with some as low as $2000.

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Blondie says on Jan 8, 2007, 22:12:

LOL UC... well, then you had better take it elsewhere!!!

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 8, 2007, 22:38:

Sounds like you wanna fight. In that case here are your options:
1. Join the army.
2. Get married.
3. Stick your head up your ass and fight for air.

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Blondie says on Jan 8, 2007, 22:49:

Well... I have done numbers 1 and 2... and I think i have had all i can take of both!!! as far as number 3 goes... i think i'll pass. Im a lover not a fighter!! ;)

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JMCana says on Jan 9, 2007, 05:22:

Englishman doing well in Colombia AnaZaple - I have a friend who is English and married to a lovely Colombian lady. He purchased a farm in Cudinamarca, changed from being a business man to a cow farmer and loves every minute of it. Says that he is much happier than he ever was in England. The children attend a very good bilingual school.

You have to decide whether you prefer the hustle and bustle of the city or just out a bit and a quieter country.

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gringolondinense says on Jan 9, 2007, 10:00:

haha poco... how much is that little pony in the middle? Maybe the owner couldnt afford a full-sized one.

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Blondie says on Jan 9, 2007, 12:53:

what kind of horses are those they that they are going for so much? they certainly dont look like lipizaners!! Or are horses just so hard to come by in colombia???

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Simon says on Jan 9, 2007, 13:39:

"My wife never complains about life here. Either she likes it a lot or she knows I would send her pretty little ass back to Colombia."


UtopiaCowboy,

You talk about your wife as if she were your slave or something. You know what you remind me of? You remind me of those slave owners who slept with their pretty black slaves back on the day.

They sure loved their sex slave, but they sure didn't love her people!

"DON'T FOK WITH COLOMBIA!!"-----Simon

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 9, 2007, 21:35:

I have a high quality inflatable doll. Check it out at www.realdoll.com. You can't beat 'em, well actually you can beat 'em, I guess that's the whole point.

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Lisa Zee says on Jan 9, 2007, 22:10:

Ana Zaple I think you should go live in Colombia now that your children are young, it will be very difficult when they get older. I KNOW!!!

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aztec says on Jan 10, 2007, 06:35:

For what it is worth I am ... ...in agreement with DG on his latest observations about living in Colombia. A successful transition to Colombia requires outside sources of income. Extortion is a disease there and is invisible. It is discussed in quiet terms and with knowing glances.

On the other hand, if you move to Colombia with no visible source of income and live like a poor person you will probably have no problems. Backpackers are rarely bothered even in the countrysides. As a resident of the "fly over part" of the U.S., I can understand a persons desire to live in Colombia rather than a barrio of NY or LA.

Contrary to some of my friends on this board I don't prefer to live poor in Colombia. I believe, if you are disadvantaged financially, you can find a better place in the U.S.

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gringolondinense says on Jan 10, 2007, 07:33:

DG just curious...if you were on the street and guys dragged you into a car, would you try to fight them, knowing you might get shot or just go with them and hope you can pay or bargain your way out?

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Wastelandlive says on Jan 10, 2007, 11:33:

DonGringo speaks much truth. This attitude that you are rich because you are a gringo is one of the most maddening parts of living in Colombia. From the extortionists, to your girlfriend, to your girlfriend's family, to the beggers, to even legitimate businessmen ... EVERYBODY has their hand out. Everybody is looking to score off of you.

And then turn around one day and ask THEM to help YOU out. Just try getting a good price because, after all, you are a good customer, and you're having a rough time of it. The resentment is amazing.

Geeze.

The street vendors in Cartagena are enough to give you homicidal fantasies.

I always leave feeling dirty and used. But I always go back...

Wasteland

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Blondie says on Jan 10, 2007, 12:33:

DG Just curious... what would things be like for a gringa to move down there and marry a well to do colombiano (doctor type)... since he was already there.. and already had the money... and the gringa came without much money.. and doesnt have to work to much(cuz he has the Dinero)...
Just wondering if that situation would bring problems? Esp. if there were a little gringo child being put into an expensive bi-lingual private school also.. Its a little different spin on things....

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 10, 2007, 12:52:

I'm not DG (thanks gods) but a Blondie moves to Colombia, marries one of the doctor types with enough money so blondie needs not work either inside or outside the house...not a bad life, if you like country club, coctail parties, top notch bilingual schools for the little half blonde/half colombianitos that blondie is supposed to produce in due time, shopping, fincas in the weekends, manicure/pedicure weekly, hair done professionally weekly, maids take care of housework, poolman comes on tuesdays...

Now if Blondie already had a little gringuito child all her own with her when she moved to Colombia, this might complicate things a little.

Blondie's only main responsibility would be staying blonde (which is easy because the sun is very hot and bleaches naturally blonde hair to white, be a darling mum to little half-gringuitos and a decorative wifey to a handsome Colombian doctor type.

Cheers,
Desi

"Soy el que siempreanda de noche en el vecindario, sé cuando ladra el perro, sé cuando canta el gallo sé cuando estan dormidos los muchachos de mi barrio..." (From the joropo "El pajarillo")

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Blondie says on Jan 10, 2007, 13:01:

Hmmmm do i sense a hint of sarcasm? lol.

Sounds like a damn good life to me!! :) Sign me up!

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Blondie says on Jan 10, 2007, 13:15:

PS's make a bit more than that...
Not saying any of that will happen, other than in my dreams ;)
But ya never know, right?!!

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 10, 2007, 13:35:

let's just say that if you luck out and your doctor type is also a good guy and not a machista womanizing jerk you can do much worse than marrying into the upper middle class in Colombia. I did that. Never regretted a day of it.

Cheers,
Desi
"Soy el que siempreanda de noche en el vecindario, sé cuando ladra el perro, sé cuando canta el gallo sé cuando estan dormidos los muchachos de mi barrio..." (From the joropo "El pajarillo")

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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nine inch nails says on Jan 10, 2007, 13:35:

DEFINETELY KEEP THE UK HOUSE Dear Ana,

Keeping the UK house long term is a very wise decision. I'm afraid if you sold it before you moved then decided to move back later the prices would have gone up so much it would impossible to re-purchase unless you make Daniel Craig type money. However please budget for the months it may be vacant and also for the expense of a good property manager or friend to watch over things whilst you are away. I would think in the UK a good propery manager would cost 15% to 20% of the rent but an expense well worth it. I have a property manager for a property only 3 hours drive away but without him it would be a disaster as even the best tenants can turn bad in a heartbeat.

Good luck to you en your decisione!

I love that sweet pretty house music, house music....

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JR says on Jan 10, 2007, 13:41:

For once I agree with Blondie The British accent is harder on the ears than the American one. They don't articulate their words and it sounds very chopped up. I will admit though if the speaker is from Alabama or Mississippi it could be a tie. (I've lived in both those places too)

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kalder says on Jan 10, 2007, 13:58:

Accents You know, every Colombian I've talked to about the subject says the same thing: They find American accents much more easy on the ear than British ones. They use much the same words to describe this phenomenon as JR too: that our accent sounds 'very chopped up'. Interesting.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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Blondie says on Jan 10, 2007, 14:12:

JR You tend to not agree with me? But everything i say is the truth... Stay tuned... you will eventually realize that!!! ;P

The doctor type is a quiet sweet man.. not a machista womanizing jerk at all. However, we are no where near that point yet... we are still just having fun! :D

I agree that our accents are less choppy... and easier on the ears.. except for the deep south and the easter states with their Cah.. and pahk, and quahatah, etc..lol~ Irish is difficult also.. i cant watch ENglish or Irish films without subtitles!!!

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Blondie says on Jan 10, 2007, 15:28:

He is a plastic surgeon, so money is not an issue for him. A very good.. and busy one at that. I was just wondering.. truthfully.. how a situation like that would work out? Would it be the dreamy happily ever after that most here hope to find there? or just as hard as it will be for the other transplanted gringos?

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goin_south says on Jan 10, 2007, 15:29:

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“ I would rather be a conservative nut job rather than a liberal with no nuts and no job.” But, really what I am is a colombiana's sex slave; she took me by force, and I submitted ;-)

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goin_south says on Jan 10, 2007, 15:29:

"Doctor Type"? Maybe she's thinking about ... a High-Powered Drug Dealer de Colombia! NOW! There's the life, Blondie! BTW, I'd like to apply for job as 'the gardener/pool cleaner'. (Yer gonna be bored while the "DrType" is away all day - or night.)

Es el año, 2007: El año de La GRINGAAAA???

“ I would rather be a conservative nut job rather than a liberal with no nuts and no job.” But, really what I am is a colombiana's sex slave; she took me by force, and I submitted ;-)

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Blondie says on Jan 10, 2007, 15:32:

yes.. i agree... the gardener/pool cleaner... must be a willing and able subject... as in willing and able to keep me company... and maintain ALL aspects of the good doctors property... ;)

and he must be shirtless at all times~~

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poco says on Jan 10, 2007, 19:31:

Where is the Music ??????????????? how much is that little pony in the middle? Maybe the owner couldnt afford a full-sized one.

Everyone knows Colombians LOVE loud music and no holiday would be complete w/o it.

See if you can find the music ???



Now isn't this just the cutest thing !!!! Mag wheels and all.

"When you men get home and face an anti-war protester, look him in the eyes and shake his hand. Then, wink at his girlfriend, because she knows she's dating a pussy." Quote - General Tommy Franks

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big kugz says on Jan 10, 2007, 21:03:

Desideria What's wrong with marrying someone who is poor. I have been poor my whole life, and my wife is from one of the poorest barrios in Barranquilla (villate). She has never asked me for anything and actually wanted me to move there when we decided to get married (which i plan on doing after i graduate). Her entire family is very poor, very humble and some of the most fantastic people I've ever met. They too would never ask us for anything. Unless you were being sarcastic and i'm just not bright enough to pick up on it, I think you've got it twisted. I believe that I am much better off having married someone who isn't spoiled by riches and who loves herself, her family and her husband for who they are than someone who measures everything with a golden ruler. Interestingly, I find this to be true of the vast majority of the people I have met in Barrio Villate and have to admit that I am jealous of the fact that poor people there (at least in this neighborhood) take care of each other a lot better than the scumbags in my neighborhood in West Michigan do. Maybe its a coste&o thing????

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big kugz says on Jan 10, 2007, 21:09:

And the accent thing as much as I despise listening to it, I think that it must be easier to learn to understand a limey than a yankee. The pronunciation of our vowels here in the US changes too much from region to region, where a brit speaks like a brit no matter where they were born. Or perhaps I'm just an ignorant yank who hasn't spent enough time eating fish and chips in GB to know any better.

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goin_south says on Jan 10, 2007, 22:04:

After a few JD's, a couple lines of Coke, and a couple bongs,... I'd probably be deciding to leave two teenagers in the USA to fend for themselves. jaja (don't worry guys/gals; they know I am the safe - and a little good-crazy - one!) VAMOS TODOS A COLOMBIA!

Es el año, 2007: El año del gringo

“ I would rather be a conservative nut job rather than a liberal with no nuts and no job.” But, really what I am is a colombiana's sex slave; she took me by force, and I submitted ;-)

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goin_south says on Jan 10, 2007, 22:05:

El ChantajistadorO.... donde esta? Que dice? Es el año, 2007: El año del gringo

“ I would rather be a conservative nut job rather than a liberal with no nuts and no job.” But, really what I am is a colombiana's sex slave; she took me by force, and I submitted ;-)

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Lisa Zee says on Jan 10, 2007, 22:10:

I find The Engish accent very charming, and elegant, they sound so proper,inteligent, even if they are not. (the ones that are not!)You have to be so careful here in PBH not to offend anyone. I wonder how I would sound with my Spanish accent if I had learned English in England instead of the USA ???!!!!???

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 10, 2007, 22:29:

"You have to be so careful here in PBH not to offend anyone." Estas bromeando? The whole purpose of PBSH is to offend people and trade insults. Y tu mama tambien!

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 10, 2007, 23:22:

Nothing wrong, kugz

with being poor; I should know, for being one. I was just telling Blondie how her life married to a Colombian Doctor Type could look out. DG is so wrong about the bodyguards; there's lots of blondish sons and daughters of Colombian doctors running around in the malls and I haven't seen anybody accompanied by a bodyguard yet. The kids of local expats lead a normal life, as normal as it comes (normal for Colombia, not USA), in Cali. Maybe Bogotá us different?

I don't think blondie married to a poor dude in Aguablanca District in Cali would be very happy; no, definitely NOT a good idea,especially if the happy couple would decide to live there. I'd personally doubt that I could've made a good match with a strata 1 guy in Cali, not because I look down on poverty (I don't), but because poverty in general creates a certain type of mindset and focus on materialism and taking advantage of every possible situation that I find hard to live with. I don't romantisize poverty because there's nothing glorious in it. Being young and having very limited means, struggling to make the ends meet, saving your pennies is fine, can be even fun and bond people together. True poverty has "the face of a dog".

Cheers,
Desi

"Soy el que siempreanda de noche en el vecindario, sé cuando ladra el perro, sé cuando canta el gallo sé cuando estan dormidos los muchachos de mi barrio..." (From the joropo "El pajarillo")

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 10, 2007, 23:25:

about accents I believe that Colombians are just more used to listening to gringo accent from all that tv-watching. I like the crispy British accent and find the Scottish and Irish accents totally charming.

Cheers,
Desi

"Soy el que siempreanda de noche en el vecindario, sé cuando ladra el perro, sé cuando canta el gallo sé cuando estan dormidos los muchachos de mi barrio..." (From the joropo "El pajarillo")

"When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain?"(First Witch in Macbeth)

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big kugz says on Jan 11, 2007, 05:52:

Okay Desi, but I would argue that the opposite is true. It is my personal experience that WEALTH, not poverty creates the emphasis on materialism and taking advantage of every situation. At least where I am from, if you are wealthy and were not born into it then you obtained that wealth by taking advantage of everything and everyone around you. That isn't to say that all wealthy people in the world have done things that way... just my personal experience. On the other hand (at least in Colombia), poverty has appeared to me to be a true blessing in disguise. All of the middle/upper class folks I've met in Colombia (including my wife's godmother... greedy witch), or any other place I've been would charge their own mother for a favor, and don't want anything to do with anyone who isn't as wealthy as they are. That is my idea of materialism, and I haven't seen it at all in barrio Villate. Here, in West Michigan, YES very much so. There, minimal if it even exists. Again, of course, this is my personaly experience and I am not trying to speak for all rich people or all poor people.

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gringolondinense says on Jan 11, 2007, 08:39:

personally i prefer bourbon over scotch. Scotch whiskey tastes like puke to me (Im not kidding). I'd rather have JD or Jim Beam.

By the way, whats up with all these different kinds of JDs available? A bar near my house sells about 4 or 5 different kinds of JD. Do they taste any different?

Anyone tried Bullit (Bullet?) with the orange label? takes like shite...too strong for me.

(hope the use of the olde englishe worde "shite" is note considerede rudee).

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gringolondinense says on Jan 11, 2007, 08:45:

Poco.... by the way in the first photo notice the guy in blue is pushing the cart to help the poor little horse. In the second pic, the cart looks like its stuck and the horse is looking at the ground. They had to fit mags, coz the horse couldnt pull normal wooden or iron cart wheels.

On second thoughts maybe the horse is a kidnapped gringo child dressed up to look like one.

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AnaZaple says on Jan 13, 2007, 05:51:

Tinto and DG Have to say I don't like whiskey that much and believe it or not, the majority of people here don't drink it that much. A lot of larger and vodka flow every day in every pub, plus what is called alco-pops (spirits mixed with fruit juice like Bacardi Breezer or WKD...)
I could have had a few aguardientes instead, but I lost my nerve at the last minute.... ;)
And about being in denial... I know is not personal and anyway thanks for the advice. You are making some very good points and we will take them on board. Still the dream is on!!! Everyone makes their way in life the best way they can. I doesn't matter where you live in the world there will always be crime, insecurity, poverty. Even here in the UK a child gets attacked at the school gates with a hammer; a little girl got taken from her home while she was having a bath, was tortured and the rest and then left naked in the streets (the bastard was found and got life). There is drugs, crime, poverty, teenage pregnancy (the highest rate in Europe) and it seems everyone forgot about believing in God (whoever he/she might be).
So, by moving we are trading some risks for others.. nothing else! Still 3 to 5 years to go... plenty oftime to think!

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 13, 2007, 06:12:

Anna if you want to do it do it!! but keep your options open in the UK too, i did that in 1993, we took our two young kids with us, we lived in Cartagena, and we were fine, we returned to the UK because my husband wanted to go back and study a course here and the hot weather in Cartagena was driving him nuts, but because we never sold anything here in the UK adjusting back was easy. Like many people said don't burn all your bridges , have a back up plan . in Colombia if you live like a working class person you would be fine. my kids are tennagers now and they love Colombia, my daughter want to go back as soon as she finish school and my son is planning to spend his gap year there and maybe stay and go to University there, our plans for the near future are to spend 6 month in Colombia and 6 or maybe 4 here in the UK.


El peor negocio es el que no se hace!

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