ADVICE.... ON SURGERY IN MEDELLIN.. AM I SCAMMED O IS THIS REAL

jaramillo says on Mar 20, 2008, 17:26:

kid, don't give papaya this easily. If you need translation, don't be a sucker. Did you feel any lumps?

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CatGirl says on Mar 20, 2008, 17:29:

I am taking a chance here, hoping this is a "true blue" question

1) Many women have lumps or cystic tissue in their breasts - Not cancer
2) This will need to be Diagnosed by Mammogram and an Ultra sound - followed by a "needle Biopsy"
3) Depending on the results of the biospy - they may do a lumpectomy (locally - only the lump nothing else) or if it is more severe, they may need to to a mastectomy (remove all).

Some women with a family history of breast cancer that is serious....find lumps or have a Diagnosis of cancer will choose to have a total mastectomy. Depending on the case, many times this is considered an elective procedure.....it is something that the patient elects to do.

Some women freak out (excuse the medical term) - find a lump, have a history of Cancer in their family and try to have a total mastectomy. Again, this is elective and the LEAST recommended, not many surgeons will do this either. I would even be concerned about a surgeon that would do this an double check their history.

Either way, get a clear diagnosis - of Malignant Cancer and see if the lymph nodes are involved.
In regards to how Colombia handles payment? I will have to defer to the posters with that experience.

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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Aaron21 says on Mar 20, 2008, 17:40:

Cat you are too kind. His sister already answered his dumbass question.

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gringokid says on Mar 20, 2008, 17:40:

In regards to Jaramillos question... this will freak you all out... YES.. we did do the... *****.. and that is what is freaking me out.. yes I am remebering all the episodes.. and I felt lumps.. in her breasts.. but feeling awkward... never said anything and after a few times.. then it feels normal to you...
. AS FOR CATGIRL.... yes. they hav done the ultrasound mamagram.... and both breasts are full of lumps....(well 1 has 2-3 and the other is full of little ones..)and have done a urine and blood test......
BUT my sister who is a DR.. says that is not enough.. she also told me about the elective surgery.... but said no one even with a history of this of an aunt... SHE STILL NEEDS A BIOPSY..
my colombian friend.. says they are telling her.. at this point it is not classified as cancer.. but is best to remove both breasts.. immediately or ASAP.....

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Aaron21 says on Mar 20, 2008, 17:42:

Dumb

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gringokid says on Mar 20, 2008, 17:43:

CATGIRL.. THANK you.. you are very knowledgeable in this area... what you tell me.. is exactly as my sister says.... thank you so much for the NICE POST..

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CatGirl says on Mar 20, 2008, 17:44:

Fom the information you are telling me - not a practice. Cancer needs to be Diagnosed by a tissue sample. Or she simply has lumpy bumpy breasts (again, excuse the medical term, ja!).....some women are just that way.

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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CatGirl says on Mar 20, 2008, 17:51:

Aaaron: jajaja - You are cute - Purrr

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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gringokid says on Mar 20, 2008, 17:54:

Aaron21.. it seems.. to me.. it is sad.. that you have not been educated enough on probably anything.. so you responses... are not anything more.. than stupidity.. I bet when your in a discussion ... THE ONLY THING YOU CAN SAY.. ARE 4 LETTERS WORDS.. because that is all your vocabulary has been EDUCATED O LIMITED TOO....!!!!!!!!

AGAIN CATGIRL... thank you for you posts.. I dont understand.. why 3 specialists...in medellin are advising her to have a double masectomy without having a simple needle biopsy... thanks again

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Aaron21 says on Mar 20, 2008, 18:01:

I simply pointed out that you had answered your own nonsensical question. It was very simple and, for most people, something on which to improve their question making skills. However, if that damages your ego then you should probably re-evaluate a few things in your life.

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gringokid says on Mar 20, 2008, 18:14:

Aaron21 here is a copy of my question... and a copy of your response- answer.

" OKAY.. HERE IS MY QUESTION... BEFORE EVERYBODY.. BLASTS ME FOR ME BEING STUPID... how could I verify... from there.. at the hospital o clinics.. IF SHE IS TELLING THE TRUTH.."

AND YOUR RESPONSE.....
"Cat you are too kind. His sister already answered his dumbass question"

AND YOUR NEXT RESPONSE

"Dumb"

NEED I SAY MORE???

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guacharaca says on Mar 20, 2008, 18:16:

" I dont understand.. why 3 specialists...in medellin are advising her to have a double masectomy without having a simple needle biopsy"

You still don't get it? Most girls have these bumps. Years ago I have had girls try this on me and they did not see a dime. They never got the surgery and are still living, as healthy as can be. It is one of the oldest cons in the book.

You were not clear. Did she get an ultra-sound? or a mamogram? or both? If she says mamogram and she is under 30, you have likely proven her a liar. Younger girl's breasts are too dense to use a mamogram. Ultrasound is needed. Then it still could be a cyst, hence the biopsy. No biopsy, no cancer. You want to see a photo of the scar from the biopsy before you touch your wallet.

There have been many occasions where a Colombian girl has gotten more than one guy to pay for the same surgery (even the fake surgeries).

Colombianos: Las armas os han dado independencia, las leyes os daran libertad. (Santander)

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miamimike says on Mar 20, 2008, 18:18:

This is a Scam and merits NO farther Discussion. Walk away from this one ASAP.

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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robi666 says on Mar 20, 2008, 18:19:

Give her the money. It is nothing for you and you'll make her happy.

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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CatGirl says on Mar 20, 2008, 18:25:

Guachar: "You want to see a photo of the scar from the biopsy before you touch your wallet."

jajaj,,,that still might not be enough..jaja...these days with access to pictures? jaja

Not real unless you see it in front of you....either way, good advise - sounds like you have had this type of experience

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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eywed says on Mar 20, 2008, 18:32:

Gringokid how much would you miss the money?

Ay Hombe!!!!!

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Robert Jorge says on Mar 20, 2008, 18:36:

A doctor would never feel some bumps, and then recommend radical surgery. That would be their LAST resort. And that would be after everything the guys above said, as far as diagnosis. Can you imagine feeling a bump in your balls, and because your brother had prostate cancer, you want your balls chopped off? Your friend's little game makes as much sense.

Sorry she turned out to be a bad apple after-all. Hope you didn't send a dime.

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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RAAAY says on Mar 20, 2008, 19:08:

Send money fast........Western Union.............it's very unusual for Gringos to send money to girls here........she'll be surprised.

.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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robi666 says on Mar 20, 2008, 19:21:

Remember to file form 5 if you send more than 5,000

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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Medellin Traveler says on Mar 20, 2008, 19:25:

miamimike says, "This is a Scam and merits NO farther Discussion. Walk away from this one ASAP."

Why not help the guy out?

He's obviously asking for help and advice here.

Agree, it sounds like a scam to me.

No need to send money.

La cuidad de la primavera, estoy feliz porque te vuelvo a ver - www.medellintraveler.com

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RAAAY says on Mar 20, 2008, 19:28:

Western Union.............help the poor girl out...........is it going to make a big difference to his pocket..........

Surely he has a money tree in his garden..

.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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gringokid says on Mar 20, 2008, 20:21:

SORRY I WENT OUT TO EAT.......
here are the answers again...
she is 34... she had a mammogram several months ago.. because she felt lumps in one of her breasts...they have done an ultrsound.. and a mamagram .. the diaognosis is one breast has several large lumps... and the other is full of tiny ones.... she supposedly has had 2-3 opinions of other doctors.. one from another hospital.... hence.. she has never asked me for the money...she has said the doctors said it is pre cancerous.. but strongly recommend a double masectomy ASAP.. because one of her aunts.. had the this and didnt do anything and died about 3 months ... she has never asked or hinted for money.... I HAVE ASKED WHY THEY DONT DO A BIOPSY.. and she continues to say... they all said.. it is not necessary... that is what makes me leary of the WHOLE THING....

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miamimike says on Mar 20, 2008, 20:27:

Do yourself a favor and leave,,,pronto

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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gringokid says on Mar 20, 2008, 20:28:

NO.. I AM NOT STUPID... I HAVENT SENT A DIME.. NOR WOULD I... I WOULD ONLY SEND IT DIRECTLY TO THE HOSPITAL.. BUT DONT WANT TO PAY FOR BREAST AUGMENTATION FOR HER EITHER...about the form 5... I did call one of the companies to send money.. NOT WU... just to find information about sending a larger sum of money to someone... and they told me i can send any amount I want... which really shocked me... this was about 2k...american.. which was a transfer fee of about 80 dollars...
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR COMMENTS...... I WAS WONDERING MORE.. IF ANYONE KNEW.. OF HOW OR IF IT WAS POSSIBLE TO SEND MONEY DIRECTLY TO THE ACCOUNT OF THE HOSPITAL.. LIKE YOU PAY YOUR UTILITES.. O deposit money for the usa visa and such.. I would have to have some documented information from a doctor.. that he was performing.. the operation.. before i would ever send a dime.. but if it were true for anyone.. ... what I told her.. " her life or anyones life is valued at more than 2k dolares:" is what I said...

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CatGirl says on Mar 20, 2008, 20:34:

Gringokid - my dear.....sorry, but most women get implants or "expanders" after they have a mastectomy....

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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CatGirl says on Mar 20, 2008, 20:34:

I am done......all I can say is - stop the insanity ;))

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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gringokid says on Mar 20, 2008, 20:42:

aHHH thank you.. THAT IS THE ANSWER I WAS LOOKING FOR.... THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET IMPLANTS.. AFTER THE MASECTOMY.... once again.. CatGirl... THANK YOU.......

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peteyw says on Mar 20, 2008, 20:44:

If this is really such a concern... Try this test. Call her, not text...call. Tell her you are so concerned for her that you can not bear that she will have to endure this alone. Tell her you've booked a flight to be with her during the surgery and to care for her afterwards and will bring the money with you.

Her reaction to this will tell you everything you need to know.

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CatGirl says on Mar 20, 2008, 20:46:

jajajajajajaja

Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent

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gringokid says on Mar 20, 2008, 20:47:

YES..... THANKS.. peteyw... I have already.... thought about doing THAT.....great idea... that is what I am going to do....

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peteyw says on Mar 20, 2008, 20:49:

Happy to help.

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Lisa Zee says on Mar 20, 2008, 21:03:

The things girls do to get the gringo to pay for silicons! Ay Dios mio!

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miamimike says on Mar 20, 2008, 21:06:

IF ANYONE KNEW.. OF HOW OR IF IT WAS POSSIBLE TO SEND MONEY DIRECTLY TO THE ACCOUNT OF THE HOSPITAL.. LIKE YOU PAY YOUR UTILITES.. O deposit money for the usa visa and such.. I would have to have some documented information from a doctor.. that he was performing.. the operation.. before i would ever send a dime
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------GK--Yes it is possible to do what you want to do, pay for someone's else's Hospital operation. That said, those here who do such a thing can rest assured the patient is deserving of such help. I doubt anyone here would anty up for a case such as your girlfriend. Its done quite a bit here in Miami with Folks coming to Jackson Memorial who are really super poor with Capital letters. Destitute is a better word, many times they are from Haiti and are Legitimate candidates for Charitable medical care. And they are almost always in the Advanced stages of their Illness, Cancer, Kidney transplants, Cardiac surgery ect. In the case of your friend, she wouldn't make it past the Receptionist's desk due to many unproven unknowns already mentioned by other posters. A Haitian Lady was in the Miami News just last week with Cancer that has metasticized to her face and literally has eaten away a 1/3 of her face. Charitable Groups paid for her medical care. She is inoperable and Jackson Hospital is trying to find her a place in Hospice so she can expire in Dignity. I am in the Process of Sourcing a Free Oxygen Concentrator for her from a Catholic Nun I work with who provides such machines to patients unable to pay. . In the case of your friend, she wouldn't make it past the Receptionist's desk at Jackson due to many unproven unknowns already mentioned by other posters. Too many things do not add up in her claims so no need to rehash them again. A Buddy of mine years ago got fleeced by a woman in Bogota who claimed she had a "Sick Mother" and she needed money for a home health Nurse so she could spend "quality time" with him. After he facts came out, her Mami wasn't sick at all and my friend had sent like $300 monthly and she used it to pay of her credit card debt. I see simialarities in his story and yours. Cut her loose,,,

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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Medellin Traveler says on Mar 20, 2008, 21:16:

gringokid,
Be aware that this is a very popular scam orchestrated by many lovely women to separate gringos from their money.

This scam is not specific to Colombia.

Send her your love and support, but let her know you can not send cash, muy pobre porque el dolar no vale mierda!

La cuidad de la primavera, estoy feliz porque te vuelvo a ver - www.medellintraveler.com

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EVERETT says on Mar 20, 2008, 21:29:

wait 4 months, and if she stops talking with you, then you have your answer.

The Stars at Night are Big and Bright

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Catfish35 says on Mar 20, 2008, 23:08:

GringoKid,
Listen, send the money down to me. I'll have it picked up and make sure she is taken care of.
Of course I will need some fold'in money for taxis, food, and incidentals while waiting in the hospital.
If your gonna send $2000 just round it up to $3000 and that should be enough. I'll let ya know if we need extra. Don't worry I'll send pics and stuff!

"So many guns, and so few brains". sam spade

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lpdiver says on Mar 21, 2008, 05:02:

My personal experiences and some thoughts which may help you.

My sister-in-law has a condition similar to that which you describe. She had many cysts in both breasts. One breast had a particularly large one (8-9 centimeters). She had mammograms and tests. She also had the fluid withdrawn with needles and got by for a year.

On my last visit I noticed she was in much pain and we talked about it. I told her to go to the doctor and see what was necessary to take care of the problem.

He quoted a price of 750,000 pesos and agreed to take 200,000 pesos up front and the rest as she could pay. I told her to have the surgury and all is well for the time being.

1. You are not stupid. Perhaps gullible.

2. 4.5 million pesos seems excessive. My wife priced implants at two and a half million pesos in August of last year. Perhaps she IS going to have the double masectomy and then implants. Who knows. The question is, are you going to be held hostage for her medical problems and her familys as well? I can guarantee that you will be asked for money to help her sick mother, tia, brother, etcetera in the future.



3. How would you deal with this if it was an American woman that you had been with? A lot differently I bet! Why?

4. For someone who, "uded to live in Colombia and was married to one for five years" you seem lacking in basic skills/knowledge of the country and the way it works.

5. IF you decide to help I wouldn't make it too easy on her. I didn't on my sister-in-law. She had to arrange for credit and make the payments.

Good luck,
t

"cook some rice!"

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tejasmarcos says on Mar 21, 2008, 07:48:

put the onus on the doctor recommending surgery;

scenario:

my beloved colombian girlfriend. i have spoke with my bank and they are willing to give me the loan for your surgery. however, they are requesting a notarized statement from the doctor(s) requesting the advised procedure. please remember that a bank employee will need to call the doctor(s) to confirm the letter(s), so please include a contact number.

- this will call the bluff.

trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine...

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ColombianoGringo says on Mar 21, 2008, 08:15:

Here is some useful information that will clarify things.

If this girl is working at a legit job, she should be a member of an EPS (health insurance). The EPS is responsible for paying for mastectomies and the subsequent implants. I know this because my wife used to work for the biggest staffing company in Colombia and dealt with this kind of stuff all the time. To boot, her sister-in-law just had a double mastectomy and it was paid for by her EPS. In some cases, the EPS will try to get out of paying for the implants. However she can sue them (demanda mediante tutela) and they will be forced to pay for everything. If her doctors are saying that it is legit and she needs it, she should be able to win. You say in your post that they won't pay because it isn't cancerous. How would they know that without a biopsy? Sounds fishy.

Talk to your girl about these issues. Ask who her EPS is and why they are not paying for the surgery. Honestly, it sounds like busllshit, but if it is legit, the best thing you can do is help her with suing the EPS. If you have any questions, let me know and I'll ask my wife who is also a lawyer well versed in labor and insurance issues. She said she'd be glad to help with info if this is legitimate.

The main point is that you should under no circumstances have to pay for this even if it is true.

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vicshere says on Mar 21, 2008, 08:34:

humm GK going down to Colombia to be with her during the surgery and stuff ...if the girl is "tranposa"...he is going to end up kidnapped....and cost him a whole lot more if not his life....be careful of going down....it can go sour very quickly

listo

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droble77 says on Mar 21, 2008, 09:12:

It's not just gringos that Colombians scam. They prey on each other too. One of my Facebook friends from Bogota sent me a story how some guy bullshi**ed her out of her bike. I found the story believable, and NO she didn't ask me for money, lol, we've only chatted via email and IM a couple of times.

You seem to be getting overly worried about this. My impression of your story is that when you left Colombia you didn't make any promises of continuing the friendship/relationship.

So EVEN IF HER STORY IS TRUE (which I doubt and many have pointed out holes in her story) you don't owe her a damn thing! Yes, that's sad and cold, but true, if I understand you correct that she is not even a novia, much less a wife. [I suppose when she was with you, you paid for both yourself and her on your dates and outings, which is reasonable and enough.]

Sending her a Christmas stipend is a kind gesture, very gringo-ish, but now look at the mental doubts being a nice gringo brought you. When these kinds of requests for money pop up, you start to doubt the whole relationship from the day it started.

I like some of the ideas of testing her and paying via a third party but unless you're actually there, you'll never be 100% sure the money went for the right thing, some of these 3rd parties can get in on the scam too you know. . .

It's really up to you how you want to spend your money and if you even want to see this woman again. Some guys like the idea of buying a boob job and being the first to sample the "new and improved" product, LOL! :)

And don't be afraid to be 100% straightforward with her. You value her friendship and company "te estimo" but you and your friends think her request sounds like "una mecánica muy común en los paises pobres" and that "no todos los gringos son ingenuos que cagan plata", i.e., not all gringos are naifs that s*** money! :0)) Tell her that if she's really tight on money you can send her 500K "pero NUNCA millones" and that if you DO send her a stipend, don't expect another one until Christmas (or ever again) because you're not family. [The mistake you made when you sent the Christmas present is that you did not set realistic expectations] Make sure whatever other men are in the picture are paying their fair share too. . . :)

Believe me, if she really needs 4.5 million, her family and friends can pool their resources, or she will find "other avenues" to raise the plata. You don't have to contribute the whole amount!

Finally, even if the story is true, you are under no moral or legal obligation to send anything. . . 1 million COP is the absolute limit I would pay even if I was 100% sure the story was absolutely true.

Because if you do pay, get ready for next year's emergency, lol! The tragedies will never end. . . :)

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Medellin Traveler says on Mar 21, 2008, 10:03:

Gringokid,
Great advice on here.

Good luck.

Keep us posted.... it could help others in your situation, because this happens a lot with many gringos, especially those who are not lucky enough to know about PBH.

DO NOT SEND MONEY!

La cuidad de la primavera, estoy feliz porque te vuelvo a ver - www.medellintraveler.com

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RAAAY says on Mar 21, 2008, 10:06:

Go to your Garden now.............shake that money tree.....shake shake......shake.......................now,......off with you to Western Union...................

SEND MONEY NOW..........


.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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Lisa Zee says on Mar 21, 2008, 10:07:

Most doctors can speak English, ask her for the doctor #, so you can talk to him, very simple.

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lpdiver says on Mar 21, 2008, 10:09:

Lisa,

And a doctor would never prevaricate to garner a little business I suppose.

t

"cook some rice!"

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ColombianoGringo says on Mar 21, 2008, 10:13:

I repeat. If this is a legitimate case, she should be able to get her EPS to pay. They would of course probably require a biopsy. He shouldn't have to pay for anything unless she wants to go with private specialists. Of course, this sounds more like somebody looking to get some new puchas for free.

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Lisa Zee says on Mar 21, 2008, 10:17:

He is just asking for the wellbeing of this girl. I don`t know of any doctors that are anything but professianals, unless she is having this surgery done in a garage with a quack.

But you can argue and take this out of context.

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lpdiver says on Mar 21, 2008, 10:22:

Unfortunately I have encountered a few, but you are probably correct. As for me, I think it's a scam. The entire post and situation.

t

"cook some rice!"

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robi666 says on Mar 21, 2008, 10:26:

GRINGOKID IS THE REAL SCAM HERE GUYS... Why only Ray, Eywed and me realized it?

"I am a citizen of the most beautiful nation on earth. A nation whose laws are harsh yet simple, a nation that never cheats, which is immense and without borders, where life is lived in the present."

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miamimike says on Mar 21, 2008, 10:31:

R A A A Y--On the perceived Dollar Tree all of us have in our Backyards, in my case a Condo, Do you have the $1, $5, $10,$20, $50 or the Coveted $100 Dollar Evergreen Model? LOL

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

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aztec says on Mar 21, 2008, 10:48:

Please listen to CatGirl! She is providing unbiased advice and sounds as if she has some experience. For your information it is not unusual for women to have these lumps. Indeed my wife actually had one removed when she was a younger woman living in Colombia. Turns out that it was an unnecessary operation. She still has small lumps that continue to show up in the scans.

It is true the girl may be frightened by the appearance of the lumps. When one first sees those results panic is a real feeling!

I would question the ethics of any doctor who wants to remove both breasts without a biopsy. It does sound "fishy" to me.

If she is only covered by social security she is indeed in financial trouble. We are currently in a situation where we can't get them to finance a cancer operation even though it has been approved.

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lpdiver says on Mar 21, 2008, 10:53:

robi...that was kind of my point. I only reply because I am bored to death at work AND it may help some "silent" PBHer.

t

"cook some rice!"

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ColombianoGringo says on Mar 21, 2008, 11:18:

lp, I agree that this whole post sounds fishy, but if it helps someone doing a forum search later, then it is worth it.

As far as "Seguro Social"... If she has a legitimate job, she will almost assuredly be a member of an EPS instead. As I mentioned, my wife's sister in law just had a double mastectomy and the EPS paid for it, but only paid for the subsequent implants because she sued them.

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lpdiver says on Mar 21, 2008, 11:19:

In my experienced the doctors have been very willing to accept payment terms as well.

t

"cook some rice!"

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Medellin Traveler says on Mar 21, 2008, 11:34:

robi666 says, "GRINGOKID IS THE REAL SCAM HERE GUYS... Why only Ray, Eywed and me realized it?"

In any case....

Medellin Traveler says. "Great advice on here.

Keep us posted.... it could help others in your situation, because this happens a lot with many gringos, especially those who are not lucky enough to know about PBH.

DO NOT SEND MONEY!"

And, I would like to include those who think they have it all figured out and send money to that special girl in Colombia, regardless of motives; good, bad, or otherwise.

This thread could save some good-hearted gringo a few pesos.

La cuidad de la primavera, estoy feliz porque te vuelvo a ver - www.medellintraveler.com

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gringokid says on Mar 21, 2008, 11:58:

THANK YOU ALL FOR SOME VERY GOOD ADVICE.....

I APPRECIATE IT.... the information about the EPS.. and the demanda mediante tutela.. is good... these are some good things to find out.....

FRANKLY I am sure i never would have sent money without knowing for sure it was all legit.. that is why I used this site...
my just would have felt terible if it was legit.. and she would have died.. 6 months down the road... I GUESS.. THAT is how she was hoping I would feel

THANKS AGAIN.. HAPPY EASTER

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ColombianoGringo says on Mar 21, 2008, 12:07:

Tell her to get a biopsy and sue the EPS if they won't pay. If it isn't cancerous yet, she may just have to wait. End of story.

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lpdiver says on Mar 21, 2008, 12:09:

Also as I mentioned in my posts, ask the doctor for credit. My sister-in-law wanted to pay the doctor up front, I asked her to ask for payment terms...from the doctors and she was granted them.

My reason was I didn't want for it to become too easy for my wifes family to ask for money (ten siblings) AND to teach Fanny some negotiations skills.

I mean it was only 300 dollars!

good luck,
t

"cook some rice!"

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gringokid says on Mar 21, 2008, 12:19:

YES... i AM going to find out about the EPS.
If the Doctor will accept payments..
and MOST OF ALL.. why they havent done a biospy or wont do one

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Clinman says on Mar 21, 2008, 14:20:

It is not unheard of to have both breasts removed as a prevention against breast cancer when it is found to heriditary. But is it common no...200,000 woman are diagnosed in US with breast cancer every year. Breast cancer is found to be a 5-10% heriditary factor.

A study was completed in 500 woman in 1994 where woman had double breasts removed as a prevention in high risk herditary. It was estimated that this removed 90% of the overall risk of cancer. The heriditary factor towards familar breast cancer is diagnosed to find the BRCA-1 or BRCA-2 gene. This genetic test is done with a blood sample. I am not sure of the cost of this test and if it is even used in Colombian hospitals. I knew a woman that was tested for the BRCA gene 8 years ago and the cost was slightly more than $1000US. But in invitro diagnostics this can be ancient history and the test be common place now. Oh the heridtary factor is known to be strongest in eastern European Jews and some Nordic people.
As far as the sincerity of your female friend I would not venture to judge either way. In the end it is for you to judge not others and I think you have your information from this forum to make your educated decision.

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Clinman says on Mar 21, 2008, 14:33:

Oh gringo they would preform a biopsy procedure previous to sending out for a heridtary test definetly if precancerous regions are found. The precancerous regions are the small areas that areas of microcalcifications have developed. Also if you or radiologist felt all kinds of lumps in the breast and they were cancerous it would be too late because it would be so far advanced that the breast cancer cells would all through the body. Cysts in woman are common and also many woman suffer the discomfort of biopsy compared to the few that actually get this dreaded disease.
I am not an expert but did spend a year working with radiologists on a experimental medical device (was approved by FDA) used for a second look BY the radiologist in ordering biopsies

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gringokid says on Mar 21, 2008, 16:18:

PUES.. esa post.. it seems like I am defending my dignity.. now.. o at least my inteligence..at least.. not to be "conned" by a woman.. no I am not stupid.. innocent.. caring.. for the less fortunate yes.. an maybe alot gullible.. but not "inocent to women and their games.. here is a quote.. from her letter I just received.. if you dont understand it all.. IaI I'm sorry..

Te diré exactamente como aparece en lo que me escribió el médico:
Paciente femenina de 34 años con H.C de enfermedad fibroquistica mamaria bilateral sintomática, comprobada de enfermedad fibroquistica mamaria bilateral sintomática, comprobada con estudios radiológicos. Se evalúa para realizar procedimiento quirúrgico mastectomía total mas implantes mamarios con anestesia general.
Los exámenes que me envió son los siguientes:
Hemograma C
Glisemia
T. de Sangría
TTP. TP
Parcial de Orina
y otro examen que no entiendo bien el nombre (creatinia o algo así).

AS I HAD SAID BEFORE... IT IS WAS NOT DIAGNOSED AS CANCER..IT IS FIBRO CYSTIC BREASTS... this is the first.. I seen that was wrote.. about the breast implants....
she continues to write.. as I said before.. she has never asked me for a PENNY... I only told her... that her life was WORTH..more than.. 4.5 milliones de pesos.... no more...
I just wrote her and asked her again. for the 3rd time why they will not do a bisopy... my only logic.. is she wants the masectomy.. for health reasons.. of the pain.. and the possible risk.. of turning malignant later... AND.. FOR NEW SILICON BREASTS... YES... i see the light..
anyway.. that is the newest update.. FOR THOSE.. THAT REALLY WANT TO DISCOVER THE TRUTH WITH ME HERE....
oh... by the way... thanks for all the PM.. for private investigative work and attorney work to investige her past.... yeah.. that is where the real scamming lies....

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aztec says on Mar 21, 2008, 16:24:

IT IS WAS NOT DIAGNOSED AS CANCER..IT IS FIBRO CYSTIC BREASTS.

Then to hell with it. Don't let her go through the breast removal!

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Medellin Traveler says on Mar 21, 2008, 17:16:

gringokid,
You got a good heart, but you shouldn't let that stand in the way of saying "no" to anyone in life.

Sometimes, you have to learn these things the hard way. I know I have learnt many, many things this way. It's not always fun..... but life goes on, hopefully getting better.

buenas suerte amgio gringo nino.....

La cuidad de la primavera, estoy feliz porque te vuelvo a ver - www.medellintraveler.com

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gringokid says on Mar 21, 2008, 18:57:

GRACIAS.. POR TODO EL CONSEJO DE USTEDES.. Y .. ya... ella esta cambiando la cuenta.. que.. nunca me pidio a plata.. solo por mis oraciones.. creo que habia una prueba a mi.. a ver.. si soy gringo.. con bosillos.. profundos.. abiertas...

FELIZ PASCUAS... GRACIAS..

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Aaron21 says on Mar 21, 2008, 19:58:

Robi, you and your crew are the only ones, huh? By the way, isn't this that cunt Medoblado again? I recognize the caps and " ... " . And if I did not want to believe better, I would think Eminem is Medoblado. Imagine that crock of shit.

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gringoloid says on Mar 21, 2008, 20:43:

aaron, that was my first guess also, about medo............but I dunno.

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RAAAY says on Mar 21, 2008, 20:49:

Not Medo............but something similar....

.

.........Its useless to argue with ignorance

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Medellin Traveler says on Mar 21, 2008, 21:40:

NOT Medo.... he don't habla espanol.

I'm not ready to call it another cock and bull story.

La cuidad de la primavera, estoy feliz porque te vuelvo a ver - www.medellintraveler.com

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Aaron21 says on Mar 21, 2008, 22:49:

I guess I should have simply called him a cunt.

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lpdiver says on Mar 22, 2008, 03:48:

The best lies and scams are the ones wrapped around a bit of truth. Congratulations on snooping out the facts and the truth.

t

"cook some rice!"

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Papi de Alejo says on Mar 22, 2008, 10:34:

Hey Kid, without trying to beat a dead horse, let me convey something to you that a Salvadorean girlfriend once told me. She said that it is not the latina way to ask a man for anything. She said that if they just expressed a need, if the man was truly interested in them, he would do what was necessary to fulfil this need. All that to say that if she was only asking you for your prayers, you can bet that there was (is) an expectation that if you are looking for some of the dulces you should be prepared to do something for her. If you take her at her word when she says all that she wants is your prayers, I'll even help you with that one. I hope that I still have it good with the Big Guy

PdA

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Juanes says on Mar 22, 2008, 10:51:

my advice do not go ahead..segun yo yo te aconsejos para pensar contento con su cuerpo y no vas a cambiar nada

http://www.travelblog.org/Bloggers/Juanes/

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