a very serious, concerned, querie...

Rob77 says on Oct 14, 2007, 07:27:

First, in the case of Colombia, one or two cases of an American being involved in these crimes does not make a serious trend. Colombia has a serious problem with these types of crimes committed by Colombians. The cases involving Americans or other foreigners would not even amount to 1/10 of 1% of the crimes committed in the country.

It's important to keep a clear perspective of the frequency of what is ocurring compared to what press coverage leads one to believe. News is made of these events because of their uniqueness. But, if you read the news regularly, you would read about these types of events ocurring daily in Colombia by Colombians. Because they are so common, they do not stand out as much in our minds.

I have read some gruesome stories lately of related crimes perpetrated by Colombians. Like the adolescent who raped a related 4 yr old and then killed her and left her under a bed in the family's home. And plenty of stories of Colombians murdering all their children and then themselves. But, the moment a foreigner is involved, people pay more attention and demand action to stem the 'trend'.

The same goes for Mexico. There is a trend highlighted in the Mexican press about Americans crossing the broder into Mexico looking for sex. But at the same time, the country has a continual problem with Mexican men looking for (and finding) underage girls in Mexico.

And, as far as foreigners travelling, looking for opportunities for sex, they too may stand out because they like to make outlandish comments and mistakenly think they are moving up the evolutionary ladder based on how many women they sleep with. But, there are far more decent foreign men in Colombia who appreciate traditional values like those of Colombians, but who do not stand out because they are not obsessed with publicizing their sexual activities.

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juli says on Oct 14, 2007, 07:41:

I think that a good majority of American and European men suffer from low self esteem and are intimidated by American or "modern" women. They feel the need to conquer and do so with easy targets - Teenagers or younger, impoverished women in their or own country or abroad etc...

Society is to blame. The feminist movement and then men becoming over sensitive "whatever you want, honey, I''m here to please you"... men become pushovers and as a result a hidden inner resentment towards them from us.

As much as we say we want someone who will listen and rub our feet and cook us dinner and do whatever we want when we want - it is not really true.

As much as feminism has helped in our careers and given equality and blah blah blah. Is that type of women men really want? The wife of Adam Sandler in Spanglish? This is "equality" causing an "imbalance". Talk about irony.

Think about the countries where these sex tourist types of men originate from (US, England, - first world countries) and then think about the countries that have more traditional type customs regarding marriage and relationships in general between men and women (Poland, Russia, 2nd world countries).

I'm not talking about priets, pedophiles, rapists nor crazed soldiers.

How to change society? Good luck.

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Rob77 says on Oct 14, 2007, 07:51:

Juli, that is quite a generalization you make about milliones of men. You generalize about men, even though a very small amount of men actually travel for these reasons. How many American men would you say are in Colombia compared to 300 million people residing in the US?

Some men actually respect and admire 'modern', independent women. I have heard many 'modern' women say they still desire to feel protecting by their partner. Careers aside, the genders still follow many traditions in both worlds.

BOYCOTT CITGO - CHAVEZ SUCKS!!!

dwmte7 says on Oct 14, 2007, 08:11:

rob...your points are well taken/made. however they didn't directly address the issues as to why this is so common amongst american men...not to negate this problem by men of other nationalities. near daily in the news are stories of men having posted photos of themselves molesting children 4 and up...maybe even younger. horrific issues. say me nay.

my questions are simply. what is the root of these problems? what if any measures are open to society to correct this? and is rehabilitation possible?

dwmte

Waterdawg says on Oct 14, 2007, 08:32:

Because it makes good copy , sells paper , news , Media and the likes ! ,, American and Americans make great Copy , thanks to the present Administration .. Is there some American Scum out there or here . You bet ! .. Numbers compared to Colombian Scum taking advantage of there own ??? Please !

Medellin Traveler says on Oct 14, 2007, 08:39:

"i'm a practicing catholic ." dwmte7

It's time you open your eyes to the reality of the nature and problems with religion. All religions have been created by MAN, and have been used to persecute innocent, non-believers, throughout the history of the world.

Religions as we know it is, DEAD!!

The reality is that EVOLUTION is the true story, not CREATION, as many have been tricked into believing.

There is no "American Sex Tourist Traveling To Have Sex With Young Childeren" epedemic, as others would like you to believe.

Rob77's post sums it all up.

Juli hits on a great point. But I don't think it has anything to do with low self-esteem. American women are to blame, but not as much as society. A MAN should act like a MAN!! And... a WOMAN should act, dress, walk, talk, behave like a WOMAN!!

An American Soldier raping a young girl has nothing to do with the overall behavior of American men. He's just one man, under due-stress, who has lost his mind, due to the bullshit wars, and he becomes uncontrollable and does what he does because he no longer believes in the world he is living in, because he sees all the lies!!!

Medellin es una chimba! www.medellintraveler.com

podborski says on Oct 14, 2007, 08:44:

BoyHowdy and his other aliases are posting most of these stories.

he trolls PBH regularly until he gets tossed, then he comes back under a new name, but always singing the same tune.

He's encouraged because some people keep falling for it.

podborski says on Oct 14, 2007, 08:51:

still making those basic grammar mistakes huh? jajaja

scotty says on Oct 14, 2007, 09:14:

same old repeated jibber jabber zzzzzzzz

Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash

vicshere says on Oct 14, 2007, 09:29:

hey pod maybe he was abused as a small child by some sex tourist and now is seeking revenge

listo

kalder says on Oct 14, 2007, 09:34:

"Religions as we know it is, DEAD!!"

Dead where? Iran? India? Colombia?

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

vicshere says on Oct 14, 2007, 09:36:

I knew it was you ...... colombia mike...it must be a bitch to come up with a new username every day.....

listo

vicshere says on Oct 14, 2007, 09:42:

hehehe MC and colombian mike all into one
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&frien...

listo

morphus says on Oct 14, 2007, 09:47:

"Sex tourists travel to countries such as Cambodia, Thailand, Costa Rica, Mexico and Brazil"

The truth is American/European sex tourists travelling to these countries have actually caused these countries to start enforcing laws (18 and over) that protect underage girls. Not that the local authorities care but they don't want any negative publicity. It was a bigger problem when the local men were doing it before a few sex tourists came along. Of course there are a few incidents but nothing like you hearing from the news reports.
I was laughing when I read about a guy from Europe on the internet going to Paraguey because he heard that there thousands of girls prostituting themselves there. He heard about the so called trafficing. He was disappointed when he got there. He only found about 8 girls working the streets. Every night it was same skanky girls....LOL

vicshere says on Oct 14, 2007, 09:51:

hehehe sure pull up that RCMP report i dare you....who's report you going to use and fake my name on....come lets have a good laugh

listo

podborski says on Oct 14, 2007, 09:51:

no you didn't offend me BH, it's just that your story gets old, and I personally disagree with your political bent, which is always anti-american and full of hatred for anyone over the age of 20.

People who abuse children should be put away permanently. I don't think anyone disagrees with that.

But your agenda is not really about that, is it? You really just don't like gringos dating colombianas. Sounds like racism or insecurity to me.

But no worries, I'll leave you alone to go have conversations with your other aliases. I should have learned by now to not feed the trolls.

Chelesupercono says on Oct 14, 2007, 09:52:

Hey what about the UN troops in Africa raping young girls.....the Russians in Germany at the end of the war......the Japanese in China......please people don't be stupid and naive....Americans don't have a monopoly on that kind of behavior....I suggest a history class for all of you...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

never go to bed with someone crazier then you are, you will do it and you will regret it.......

vicshere says on Oct 14, 2007, 09:53:

pod this is cheap entertainment

listo

Chelesupercono says on Oct 14, 2007, 09:57:

ditto I think so as well

never go to bed with someone crazier then you are, you will do it and you will regret it.......

podborski says on Oct 14, 2007, 10:05:

looks like he got zapped.

we should have a contest on who can spot his next appearance first, jaja.

His pattern is one inocuous post, asking basic information, then he launches right into US soldiers doing something bad, Uribe being corrupt, paras killing someone, then his real pet peeve: older gringos with young colombianas.

podborski says on Oct 14, 2007, 10:26:

sorry to derail your thread dwmte...

but BoyHowdy was a troll and I think he does a disservice to the real problem by being dishonest.

as to what anyone can do about it, well I confess I have no idea. I leave that up to the police, courts etc.

My own belief is that the problems of prostitution or child abuse/slavery arise in the poorest countries, so the only real, long term solution is to fight for political/economic change away from corrupt, dictatorial governments to more liberal capitalist ones.

Lcacique says on Oct 14, 2007, 10:49:

Unfortunately, I find myself in agreement with many of the posters here. The US is not the only country that is involved in sex tourism.

However, to deny that it is a problem, as some have, is a joke. Sex tourism is huge, and many people from the industrialized world take advantage of it.

I see nothing wrong with focusing in on "americans." I live in the states, was born in the states, and therefore I am concerned about the actions of my countrymen. While I do not like the fact that there are rapists in Japan, Zimbabwe, Brasil, etc. of course I will focus on my country because it is "mine." It is where one has the most influence. By saying that other countries have this problem as well, it comes off like you are implying that we should just forget about it. I keep my house clean because it is mine, regardless of what my neighbor's house looks like.

podborski, he may talk about the paras killing someone because they are guilty of roughly 80% of the human rights abuses. I see nothing wrong with talking about that. It should get 80% of the coverage. In the states, the paras get about 10% of the news coverage.

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de pronto says on Oct 14, 2007, 10:55:

I think it is all about "exposure", same thing happens around the world it is not only an american issue but maybe americans have more exposure than other nationalites.

... y viaje a Macondo todo pagado

morphus says on Oct 14, 2007, 11:09:

U.S. is one of the few countries where prostitution is illegal. That could be a factor. It makes sense to go a country where its legal. I know if i was an old dude who could'nt get laid anymore and you gave me choice between going on a sex tour to another country or sitting in the park feeding the pigions, i would rather go on the sex tour. Shiiiit, i'll go now. I remember back in the 90s I had a hot girlfriend from Czech Republic here in New York. I still left for Cuba and partied with many chicas...LOL

Plato says on Oct 14, 2007, 11:29:

"Religions as we know it is, DEAD!!" - completely false and unnecessary.

Don't knock what you are clearly unable to appreciate about religion - any religion. At minimum, they are wisdom traditions, some more than others. At best, well, this subject is not an appropriate for this forum. I also take issue with the bureacracy of religion, but they are a necessary component nevertheless.

As to the main point of this thread, I think this problem is not limited to American men. In fact, I'm not convinced of the magnitude of the problem in comparison to men from other countries. I believe someone else here expressed the same sentiment.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

Mr. Hollywood says on Oct 14, 2007, 11:31:

Doug, I think you're right that there's a growing issue with this in Colombia and will continue to be if the country gets safer for foreigners. However, I think in terms of actual "sex tourism" the worst offenders right now are Europeans, which doesn't mean there are no American's also participating.

Truth is, though, that the US is one of the only countries that will actually prosecute its own citizens for sex crimes they commit while abroad.

Monpirri says on Oct 14, 2007, 12:31:

Dwmte7, I understand your topic and do not want to deviate from your inquire but it would not be fair to let poeple think that US is the only one, or the major player in exporting pedopheliacs and sex tourists. Canada is also on the top of the list.

Child Prostitution in Canada.
The Commercial Sexual Exploitation of Children
http://www.gvnet.com/childprostitution/Canada.htm

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

podborski says on Oct 14, 2007, 16:25:

"Canada is also on the top of the list."

Huh?

I looked at that site, didn't see one word about canadians travelling or exporting anything, or any list of the worst offending countries...

It was all about domestic cases of prostitution.

Did I miss something?

Rob77 says on Oct 14, 2007, 23:22:

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dwmte7 says on Oct 15, 2007, 05:53:

i think i made my disclaimer clear....american's are hardly the only men guilty. can i make it clearer? the point was that 'regiem change begins at home'...clean up my house before i begin with yours.
too, it was not a post about men getting laid...again, hardly. it's about the exploitation of the innocents. sex, between consenting adults is no crime...i don't care if money is involved. it's just sex.
sex with children so young that they might still be in diapers, is a crime...a crime against humanity, and unfortunately, there are a small number of american men who participate in this horror. true, a small number, but from my perspective, any and i repeat, any is way to much.
to attack my religious convictions/practices is so off line as to make me wander what is the intent of the poster. character assassination? slander? or just being selfishly driven to impose your 'beliefs' on others. i don't think it could have been clearer as to the disgust i bear over pedophiliac priests. and, aside from your comments, i remain a practicing catholic.
now, back to the thread, it was a serious quiery as to what, collectively, society (us) can do to rectify this human abberation. the question remains.

dwmte

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