A Republica Bolivariana de Colombia?

gabolicious says on Sep 4, 2007, 06:46:

power can change people's mind... Fidel Castro and Chavez hide behind this "revolution" facade.

Sad indeed that somebody (like these two guys) take advantage of people's needs to be in power...


Regarding Colombia... I don't think that would happen.

"The new land of opportunities: Colombia!" ----- Mr Miguel_Clavo on PBH

juancegomez says on Sep 4, 2007, 09:21:

I think it's far more likely that we'll have a leftist in power, eventually (in other words,not that quickly, to say the least), but that doesn't mean it will necessarily and inevitably be a clone of Chavez. We can't really predict that, IMHO.

miamimike says on Sep 4, 2007, 12:40:

It will be up to the Colombian people after all Colombia is a Democracy and are free to choose whover they want.They must then live with the Consequences,,,more worrisome are the Inroads Iran is presently making in south america,,,

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." -- Feb. 28, 2008 --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C.

capitan_centella says on Sep 4, 2007, 12:51:

I´ll give you a reasonable doubt. Check out some facts. First of all, our really long LONG history of democracy, the "el frente nacional" (sharing the goverment in equal parts among liberal and conservador line of thinking during 60`s to 1974, it was one of the foundations of our actual stability regarding our politics situation). Second: We only have one dictatorship in all of our republican history (El general Rojas Pinilla, he rules colombia for about 5 years). But even him, know the problems of been a dictator.

And the lefties are not the solution. Right now he have a leftie as a Bogota's mayor (Luis garzón) and believe me, he´s plain and simply "not good" (I do prefer use other words, but the monkey just told me "be nice"). And our "parlamentary dictator" (I mean Uribe) it´s a good guy, but he´s not enough to stop "clientelismo" and all the guys who stole our taxes money. (Yeap we have a lot, soon enough we have to pay for the right of breathing)

Im sure it won´t be chavez or from other country (even north american), but guerrilla, and other social issues as poberty, and lack of oportunities could trigger out other "alternative solution" than the ones we know (president, democracy stuff)

Too many facts to be certain.

"When you open your eyes, you turn around with the world, But it can change, if you only close it, and see a dream to yourself." Me.

Sr Tertius says on Sep 4, 2007, 15:46:

Regarding an assumption of the post, I copy and paste from a previous discussion, here: http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/chavezs-guns-to-go-to-farc/

"The Bolivarian Project, whether anyone likes it or not (I have strong, VERY strong reservations) is ABSOLUTELY public. He announced it during his first campaign, and got him elected. Everything is still posted in the gobiernoenlinea website(http://www.gobiernoenlinea.ve/gobierno_al_dia/plan_desarrollo1.html) . Social programs, nationalizations, international politics, are all described as part of the agenda. So, it is disingenuous to assume (falsely) that because Chavez has surprised us before (because he hasn't), he may surprise us (concocting his plans in secret, the evil bastard) again in the future. He is following a public agenda. Sure, a lot of it is rather ambiguous--like most statements of national purpose--but, AFAIK, everything that Chavez has done during the last few years falls within the parameters he established publicly. For that, I give him credit. EVERYONE with a couple of neurons firing in Colombia (that excludes Londoño and Jose Obdulio, but includes international relations experts like Rodrigo Pardo, and conservative security analysts like Alfredo Rangel) agrees with this"

As for Colombia turning into a "Bolivarian Republic," that's very unlikely. The main reason, I think, is that the institutions that constitute the State in Colombia, although they are not strong, they certainly aren't as as weak as they were in pre-Chavez Venezuela. Uribe's agressive attempts to monopolize State power have not being, in general, very successful. I doubt that it would be different for a PDA president, or anyone else for that matter.

I'm confident that we will have a moderately left-leaning president not far in the future. But that's just a gut feeling.

"When the finger points to the moon, the fool looks at the finger" (Chinese proverb)

joanseb says on Sep 4, 2007, 18:00:

colombia fue una vez: colombia, venezuela, ecuador, panama y pequeñas partes de brasil, costa rica, peru y guyana. Tal vez algun dia la gran colombia se reintegre, pero por ideologias no lo creo.
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagen:Gran_Colombia_map.jpg

Wastelandlive says on Sep 5, 2007, 15:23:

Oh ya. Chavez let people know that Cuban doctors and military advisers would be showing up during his election campaign. It was all public.

Except for the part about expropriating property without due process. And changing the constitution - again - to allow for perpetual reelection. Oh, and recording citizens' votes to be used at a later date in determining access to things like government employment and passports.

Of course, being the critical and objective leftist, you have GRAAAAAAAAAAVE reservations.

Right. More of the usual from you.

Wasteland