A Little Contest Re: Zagarise

Mr. Hollywood says on Dec 5, 2004, 08:37:

Okay, I confess I confess that it's really me.

Zagrise and I live in a solitary cell at Guantanamo.

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kernow62 says on Dec 5, 2004, 09:22:

does he live in NYC? ????

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Save the Wildcats says on Dec 5, 2004, 09:34:

I hate to accuse anyone.... Nomad's been posting some nice, normal posts for awhile but at the beginning I would have guessed it was him.

I'm dying to know!

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adrimm says on Dec 5, 2004, 09:52:

How many responses till you tell us? I'm dying to know..

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Save the Wildcats says on Dec 5, 2004, 10:00:

Location: I'd say New York.

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Save the Wildcats says on Dec 5, 2004, 10:00:

and I definitely don't think it's Elmo.

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utopiacowboy says on Dec 5, 2004, 10:05:

Geez, Gator, don't keep us in suspense! Who is it?

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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adrimm says on Dec 5, 2004, 10:09:

I have my suspicions but I don't want to point fingers. (too much). We do have one person who seems to be a fan tho.... a post was even started "Keep Z....".

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 5, 2004, 10:21:

not fair! Gator is going to keep us all in suspense until he goes to sleep tonight....with the 6 hour time difference it means I won't be able to sleep tonight just waiting for the answers...
Not good, no cheers,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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Mariangela says on Dec 5, 2004, 11:14:

Mystery I want to know, too. I thought Mr. Italian was Osama Bin Laden playing games with us from his cave, after taking some Internet Spanish lessons.
Gator, don't torture us!
Mariángela

Mariángela

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Dan says on Dec 5, 2004, 11:45:

No Cheers... ...from Desi??? What's the world coming to?

God Bless America!

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Dec 5, 2004, 11:51:

to less cheerful times I s'ppose. I just hate being left hanging there ...
frowns,
Desi

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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Mr. Hollywood says on Dec 5, 2004, 12:35:

Well, here's an easy one he's now posting support for himself as "iraqfree"

What other logins is he? What can we do to shoo this fly away?

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Iraqfree says on Dec 5, 2004, 12:39:

I am muslim I am very surprise as an Italian guy can talk about the problem in the world

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kernow62 says on Dec 5, 2004, 12:47:

Gator your nephew must be quite good that's all I can say. I don't think you really know. But it is fun guessing. NomadMax?

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adrimm says on Dec 5, 2004, 14:22:

IP addresses I'm no techie but they can indeed be traced.. dunno how, but people I've talked to have been able to tell me where I am in the past when I have been using smaller or localized IP providers. It's rather unsettling.

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isaactraveler says on Dec 5, 2004, 15:30:

in my opinion I never really thought that Zagarise was Italian. I think it is a spanish speaker using a translator. I dont really believe that the average person can actually track down someone off the internet. you can check IP addresses, but I think large companies such as AOL or such make it almost impossible to find someone. You can get close though.

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Gerbil says on Dec 5, 2004, 15:54:

Don't forget he's also queen of the jail/dance.
And tracking IPs is a lot easier than you think - even on dial-up where it changes each time you connect.

Point is his english is just fine - the most articulate of his various ego-fillers is queen of the dance, and it's highly likely that he speaks fluent english.

No-one speaks THAT bad english - it's how someone who speaks english writes when they want to appear like they have little mastery of the language.

As trolls go, he's not a good one - it's almost like he's found a 'how to troll' list on the internet and is going through it step-by-step.

Ah the joys of faceless means of communicating where you can pretend to be someone else. The odd thing is most people tend to project themselves as someone witty, intelligent and very likable (oh, good-looking too!).

It's a shame the forum software used here is so basic - the ones I run on not only store posters by IP (very amusing to publicly post proof people are one and the same) but also allow blocking by IP masks, which would kill this twat immediately.

Barry
www.theburrow.co.uk

Barry www.theburrow.co.uk

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nomad unpopular says on Dec 5, 2004, 15:58:

la riena del baile i dont imagine he is her, as his other attempts at writting good english are poor. but strong possiblity

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Lauthra says on Dec 5, 2004, 16:07:

Bah! I don't even think he knows who he is, I mean between the voices in his heads, his imaginary friends, his multiple personalities and lack of lucidity... That must be one hard existence.

Nato
www.theburrow.co.uk

Nato (='.'=)

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Mr. Hollywood says on Dec 5, 2004, 16:29:

How to write bad english For anyone wanting to pretend to be a schizo-multilingual non-English speaker, first you take a post some gibberinsh like this about how you hate americans and they're responsible for all the evils in the world. Plan Colombia is killing poor grandmothers and all American's are the sons of George Bush. Then you run it through a automatic translator a couple times. This one is going English- Italian- French- English

Here's what you get:

As a prémier place you take certainly with a alberino gibberinsh like
this approximately as hated American and are responsible for all the
malvagità in the world. The Colombia program is the m3més poor of
murder and entirely American is the wire of George Bush.
Then fairies to function by an automatic translator time of the
couple.

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Gerbil says on Dec 5, 2004, 16:53:

"as his other attempts at writting good english are poor."

You see it from the wrong perspective.
His other attempts are of writing poor english, and they are poor - that one was more like his proper english. I am quite sure he has a strong command of the english langauge.
There is a world of difference between the writings of someone who only knows a little of a language, and someone who knows it but wishes to pretend they don't.

Given I'm reasonably competant at English and have years of online fun dealing with kids like this, his efforts stick out immediately.

And that's before you even become suspicious about his extreme lack of knowledge about all things Italian (has he mentioned Mussolini yet in any thread? ;)...

Barry
www.theburrow.co.uk

Barry www.theburrow.co.uk

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Lionheart says on Dec 5, 2004, 16:55:

I mentioned it and he showed no response of me calling him a miniature Mussolini - a real Italian would hack my head of.

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Gerbil says on Dec 5, 2004, 16:59:

By the way, I should point out I don't believe Gator has this 'proof'. The board does not show the IPs of other users, and your cookie (bloody thing times out too quick - nearly lost my epic reply in another thread because I was logged in at start of typing, and logged out automatically when I hit 'post'!) has no need to contain this info (off top of head can't remember if it can't, or can, but possibly encrypted). Either way, your own personal cookie info is not available to other users unless they are admin or have access to some rather nasty software which chances are would be illegal (not to say it doesn't happen of course!).

However, it doesn't make any of our guesses less valid, indeed I'd bet money on the one I and Don Negro said are the boy in question :)

Barry
www.theburrow.co.uk

Barry www.theburrow.co.uk

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Mr. Hollywood says on Dec 5, 2004, 18:55:

Gator, this isn't like you Isn't it time to pony up the goods?

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kernow62 says on Dec 5, 2004, 20:01:

That's what I said previously prior to you mentioning how easy it is to find out user's IP addresses. I know it is easy to track at least to an ISP and perhaps a town, not necessarily an individual although that can be done in some cases. I can post with different IP addresses and fool this process.

Unless of course Gator is one of the administrators that Peter was looking for recently, now that would change my take. But I could not see where IP addresses were stored on pages that we the general user could log onto.

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Lionheart says on Dec 5, 2004, 20:44:

IPs are visible I run an Internet radio station.

I can see everybody's IP on the server when they are streaming audio or video, masking services do not work with streaming contents, I even see which media player and version they are using.

No, I will not give out that info ... it is a moral obligation that my listeners trust me, most don't know I see that info.

BUT ... if we can get certain lost marbles to listen, I might make an exception ... I would think the loosened screws would love an oportunity to speak on air?

We broadcast multilingual content, so gibberish is allowed.

I am pretty sure Peter can see IPs as well. If I had seen his post I would be willing to host and moderate, I have 10 years experience doing this in a fair way.

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kernow62 says on Dec 5, 2004, 21:03:

Lionheart that was precisely what I was saying the admin can see the IPs, just as I can on who visits my sites, along with lots of other info. MY IP provides a neat little utility that draws pretty little graphs, it shows percentage of vitors from US, UK, Colombia etc. it shows OS used, browser used (supposedly), how long they stayed on each page, what page referred them, if they saved any images (I use this one on my commercial sites to crack down on copyright infringement), it shows if they bookmarked my page etc. As a responsible admin I would never abuse this info, but it serves a very real purpose.

That is why unless Gator's nephew hacked into the site to the admin level he would only then be able to see IPs, at least as I understand it.

If I was Peter & had not allowed Gator to have access, I would be a bit upset.

Mario you are correct!

PS: I was not talking about using a masking service, there are ways to do it without resorting to this.

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Lionheart says on Dec 5, 2004, 21:35:

I am willing to help host I agree, I see even more on my homepage for the radio station. I need to control chat and message board there as well.

Peter, contact me if that offer is still open. I am willing to help.

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