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See http://www.shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html
As you may know, we still have user signups turned off. This is a great board, and I love it, but it's got a few tiny pietsie little problems too, as you also may know. The link above explains things well I think.. Let's discuss thoughts and ideas about the board, if you're into it.
By Peter (Moderator) (Trustee board) (Dev team) on Mar 4, 2008, 06:24 in Friendly Talkzone.
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tejasmarcos says on Mar 4, 2008, 08:01: raay, our local troll killer is on top of it, gl. he seems to sniff him/her out in quick order everytime. trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine... 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Mar 4, 2008, 08:06: Every morning when I get up I find this troll pining at the door waiting for to be let out. Eventually he'll run out of handles...he said he had about 25 to sell? Right? I A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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podborski says on Mar 4, 2008, 08:10: no better way to get rid of him Desi? What happens when peter opens up to new members again?
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tejasmarcos says on Mar 4, 2008, 08:29: just give raay the ability to troll zap. he seems to enjoy it! weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee........ trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine... 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Mar 4, 2008, 08:35: I don't find RAYY or Robbie666 trolls i think they add a bit of humor to the site well to me anyway hehehe, there are some well established trolls around some more being a pain in the a** than others but i just learn to ignore them
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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Mar 4, 2008, 08:39: We need some more software but Peter'll see to it as soon as he can. Unfortunately that's the game these trolls play; see how long they can hang on before getting zapped. Report the trolls, don't feed them, don't talk to them at all. A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Mar 4, 2008, 08:44: People should not be posting pics on troll threads; they should know better. A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Bill Turley (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Mar 4, 2008, 08:50: This is a good Board, in fact the only one I regularly visit. It would be nice to eliminate the negitive posters. I would not know how without a constant monitor with a delete button in hand. If I can help I have the time Mr. Bill Somondoco 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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usher127 says on Mar 4, 2008, 08:51: Should a troll not be forgiven if providing entertainment? Or at least not have that particular post deleted?
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tejasmarcos says on Mar 4, 2008, 08:59: i suggested a nominal $5 signup fee a few months back. it might atleast help with the cheapskate trolls. however, a group of troll supporters quickly ensued with their "entertainment" argument to preserve the troll(s) ability to freely operate among us. trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine... 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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ColombianoGringo (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Mar 4, 2008, 09:02: While I would be down with Peter taking voluntary donations to help defray the costs of the site, a mandatory fee would effectively kill the site and keep almost all new people from joining. I'm so hip, I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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pedro (☼Travelguide writer) says on Mar 4, 2008, 09:08: Yes Peter, this is a great site with many worthwhile contributors. "this may seem a strange post but it is not...when in colombia men need to be aware that colombia women may try to be seductive and entice a travelling gringo to have sex with them..to be forewarned is to be forearmed..." -- pow wow 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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pedro (☼Travelguide writer) says on Mar 4, 2008, 09:08: And... "this may seem a strange post but it is not...when in colombia men need to be aware that colombia women may try to be seductive and entice a travelling gringo to have sex with them..to be forewarned is to be forearmed..." -- pow wow 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Bill Turley (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Mar 4, 2008, 09:19: If the contirbutions were voluntary until xx months of membership,then required unless there were mitigating factors, would not be a bad idea. If there was a system of checking bact to the IPS maybe duplicate signups could be nailed Mr. Bill Somondoco 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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vicshere says on Mar 4, 2008, 10:14: idea you should have a way to rate a post....and have a separate are to check out most popular or high ranking posts...some of the posts on here lately are crap..if it wasnt for this chavaz shit we would be all asleep
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CatGirl says on Mar 4, 2008, 10:20: Peter- yes great board. After I read your attachment I will answer ;) Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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vicshere says on Mar 4, 2008, 10:31: i like these points
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tejasmarcos says on Mar 4, 2008, 10:33: yeah - kinda like a strata system for user reputation! ;) LOL! trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine... 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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CatGirl says on Mar 4, 2008, 13:19: I think setting up a system where we add moderators and ask people to report their subjective opinions may create a lot of work and drama. Marking members as a troll would be a little like a witch hunt unless there are clear guidelines on what a member can report as "troll" activity. Sometimes troll activity is subjective. I also don't think the ISP comment would work either. I don't think that can be possible to it's exact meaning. What if a poster is in an internet cafe or elsewhere - the ISP address would be different - would not make sense. Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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el flaco says on Mar 5, 2008, 02:08: Peter: can you add a section on Ciudad Perdida on your travel notes, you mention it in the introduction but there is no information. I would like to add my notes on the trip.
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aztec says on Mar 5, 2008, 07:00: "Adding a few good mods should do the trick." rocinante
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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Mar 5, 2008, 08:07: I believe Roci is right; talking about this particular troll anyway.. basically all the names of that list have either checked out legit or been removed from the list of users. A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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RAAAY says on Mar 5, 2008, 08:17: . It's useless to argue with ignorance... 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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RAAAY says on Mar 5, 2008, 08:47: lol..............stop trying to hijack this post..............go back to posting in the Bolovian section...............go away......swat.....swat It's useless to argue with ignorance... 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Mar 5, 2008, 08:47: Oh, you huff and puff loudly enough, Raaaaaaay. Robi; I'm sending you a p.m. Roci, I see I get no respect here...perhaps I should be reconsidering the job offer from the competition... A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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RAAAY says on Mar 5, 2008, 08:54: ................. It's useless to argue with ignorance... 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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webmanco says on Mar 5, 2008, 08:59: Detecting multiple handle posting from the same IP is a five minutes procedure. The mods already have the IP address on their screen (robi666) No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Mar 5, 2008, 09:57: robi666, RAYY said that you have beautiful eyes
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kat1 (Moderator) (Trustee board) (☼Travelguide writer) says on Mar 5, 2008, 10:03: LOL
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RAAAY says on Mar 5, 2008, 10:14: . It's useless to argue with ignorance... 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Monpirri says on Mar 5, 2008, 13:10: I really think we need more moderators. We could add more moderators who know about Colombia, if we add a couple of more moderators it will balance out more even the present philosophy besides moderators sometimes need to sleep and rest and obviously they cannot do a superb job if they are tired or lack sleep. "Anyone who still thinks that Colombia is not a gastronomical paradise needs to have their head examined." Darloup 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Mar 5, 2008, 13:49: That crap ain't selling in these parts.... A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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RAAAY says on Mar 5, 2008, 14:05: Robi says .....he knows what he is talking about..........hmmmm.......I'm lost for words.... It's useless to argue with ignorance... 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Lucas Freley says on Mar 5, 2008, 14:07: I agree with Monpirri, the site needs more moderators, and a very good IP Location Software (i gave Desi the site were Peter can choose the software he needs). Do you remember that one month ago I put an IP Code that detected exactly your Service Provider, the country, the city and the place from where you were writing ? I remember that all become worried, except Robi that understood what the hell I have done. So, if a guy like me can know from where are you writing...the Hosting Provider or Peter, with a very good software can know too. Hoy que estás esplendida y que todo lo iluminas, demos un paseo, vuelta por el Universo (Gustavo Cerati) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Man Tequila says on Mar 5, 2008, 14:30: Interesting article. I would not place money on who is the most paranoid person on PBH or if the core group here has much of a green thumb. Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Lucas Freley says on Mar 5, 2008, 14:30: You are welcome Robi. I know that you know a lot about Tech. Either Roci. I think the idea is to help Peter, and give him the instruments to fight against the trolls. About what Roci are saying, for example my ISP give me a different IP every day, but if Peter can detect my location...I will be unmasked. Not only the IP, the location helps too. Hoy que estás esplendida y que todo lo iluminas, demos un paseo, vuelta por el Universo (Gustavo Cerati) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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RAAAY says on Mar 5, 2008, 19:56: Oh oh.................. It's useless to argue with ignorance... 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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CatGirl says on Mar 5, 2008, 20:03: Robbi: I agree with Roci...the IP address idea will not work - sorry. Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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CatGirl says on Mar 5, 2008, 20:45: Well, this is some constructive and supportive feedback. I hope leadership is responsive ;) Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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goin_south says on Mar 5, 2008, 20:47: IP location software.. humm.. a lil like having GPS to find the fish again, eh? nothin I say is to be takn for my words, but rather for the words of Sailor Jerry. 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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RAAAY says on Mar 5, 2008, 20:50: Roc.........two things....... It's useless to argue with ignorance... 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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CatGirl says on Mar 5, 2008, 21:17: Yes I agree Desi is a smart lady ;) Love and Time: the only two things that cannot be bought, but only spent 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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webmanco says on Mar 5, 2008, 21:24: Forget about ip software, just issue each moderator one of Traveling Girl mini guns, :-) No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Mar 5, 2008, 21:42: "raise Desi's salary by $25,000 up to $150,000" Thank you, Ray. A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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webmanco says on Mar 5, 2008, 22:48: Here is a sample letter for trolls No hay extremo cierto o verdadero, porque los extremos opacan, enruedan, (lavan cerebros) verdades. Yotas 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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tejasmarcos says on Mar 6, 2008, 04:45: roci seems to know his chit. maybe he should mod a bit? trying to walk a straight line on sour mash and cheap wine... 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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RAAAY says on Mar 6, 2008, 08:22: gringo...........Medo will not tire of posting..............he continues to do so using two active handles..................began before he introduced Palm to us............very prolific poster.................but being nice.......... It's useless to argue with ignorance... 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Desideria (Moderator) (Trustee board) says on Mar 6, 2008, 08:51: It looks like I'm his main enemy and he waits until I'm off; I usually let him out in the morning (my time), around midnight Eastern. This has become fairly established routine, but I agree with *Loid, he can't have a lot of handles left (I deleted 2 yesterday). A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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podborski says on Mar 6, 2008, 10:44: can't we trace the troll's IP address and location and call in some air support to blast him? Then we could send RAAAY and Robi in to get the body and his laptop and see who he really was and who was supporting him. Probably Chavez.
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aztec says on Mar 6, 2008, 15:05: "it's a matter of integrity" Desideria
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RAAAY says on Mar 6, 2008, 15:11: podborski says. It's useless to argue with ignorance... 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Lucas Freley says on Mar 6, 2008, 16:12: Rocinante, todo bien. No me siento ofendido ni mucho menos. Si trabajas en seguridad informatica es seguro que sabes de lo que hablas. Encriptacion, criptografia, firma digital, etc., todas esas medidas tecnologicas que se adoptan para proteger los sistemas bancarios, tienen su jusitificacion porque es necesario cumplir con el Standard de normas de seguridad de protección de datos personales, y los Bancos son víctimas a diario de ataques de intrusión, de hackers, crackers, delitos informáticos, etc. Y acá si que los intrusos son verdaderos ingenieros de sistemas que crean los antisistemas para poder cometer sus ilícitos. Un hacker no es sino un programador de sistemas que prueba fallas de vulnerabilidad. Hoy que estás esplendida y que todo lo iluminas, demos un paseo, vuelta por el Universo (Gustavo Cerati) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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scotty says on Mar 6, 2008, 19:12: This site has been in the past a dman good site, now it has problems, i could go into a long post explaining what i think the problems are here but i see no reason for me to do that, i think it would be wasted breath. Get Rhythm, when you got the blues. Johnny Cash 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Man Tequila says on Mar 6, 2008, 19:16: That sounds wise, Scotty. It's not worth getting very upset about stuff on a message board. Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez) 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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Monpirri says on Mar 6, 2008, 20:15: Peter, I highly recommend for Moderator: La_Mona, Lcacique and Robert Jorge. "Anyone who still thinks that Colombia is not a gastronomical paradise needs to have their head examined." Darloup 0 funny, 0 helpful. |
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