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3 wanted IRA trainers

Have just turned up in the Irish Republic, apparently a reporter did a interview with them there according to the BBC.

Hunter

By Hunter on Aug 5, 2005, 10:26 in Politics & the war. AddThis Social Bookmark Button


juancegomez says on Aug 5, 2005, 13:52:

And now I suppose they'll be And now I suppose they'll try to be automatically pardoned for any misdeeds through implementation the (apparently) final IRA-UK peace deal, and thus they'll experience a truer and more completely amnesty than anything that people might say about the paramilitary demobilization process in Colombia even with all its flaws.

Just beautiful, the irony.

Friday August 5, 09:39 PM


Suspected IRA Men Skip Jail Sentence

Three suspected IRA members sentenced to 17 years in prison in Colombia have appeared in Ireland.Niall Connolly, Martin McCauley and James Monaghan were sentenced during an appeal hearing last year for giving military training to left-wing rebels in Colombia.Prosecutors said they had gone to Colombia to teach the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) how to make bombs.

However, the men have told broadcaster RTE they are now back in Ireland but not on the run.

Monaghan said there had been no deal for their return and he would not go back to Colombia.

He said: "As you can imagine, a lot of people in a lot of countries had to help us and I can't endanger those people by giving any details about who they were or even where they were.

"I'm afraid I can't go into any detail about how we got here."

He claimed he had travelled to Colombia as an ex-IRA prisoner to help with the peace process.

The Northern Ireland Office has warned there would be no hiding place for them north of the Irish border.

A spokesman said: "If they enter the UK an extradition request will be dealt with without delay."

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A "lot of people" in "a lot of countries"...I suppose Cuba and Venezuela might as well be on the list, given past reports and also experiences (not that I have reasons to include the governments of those two nations, no...but surely several of their citizens would be glad to aid these fellow freedom fighters in their valiant struggle to avoid the fascist claws of monster Uribe...)

juancegomez says on Aug 9, 2005, 18:54:

Bogota intent on getting 'Colombia Three' extradited from Ireland

BOGOTA (AFP) - Bogota said international law would force Ireland to extradite to Colombia three Irishmen convicted of terrorism who jumped bail last week, while lawyers for the fugitives scoffed at the move stressing that the two countries nevers signed an extradition treaty.
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Irish Republican Army-linked Niall Connolly, Martin McCauley and James Monaghan -- known as the Colombia Three -- were convicted in Colombia last December of helping train members of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC).

They resurfaced unexpectedly in Ireland last Friday after jumping bail to evade their 17-year prison sentences.

The Colombian authorities have called on Irish Prime Minister Bertie Ahern either to extradite the three or see them serve their sentences in Ireland.

Colombia's Attorney General Mario Iguaran on Monday said Colombia had enough experience in international politics and law to get Dublin to extradite the trio, who were also convicted of terrorism.

Interior Minister Sabas Pretelt suggested the Colombian government was putting together a strategy to get the sought-after extraditions.

"On the issue of Ireland," he told reporters, "we cannot tell you what we're up to ... for now, I can only say that the government is not twiddling its thumbs."

Lawyers for the three fugitives responded quickly saying Colombia did not have a legal chance of having its way.

"The extraditions are inapplicable because Colombia does not have an extradition treaty with the Irish Republic," said Eduardo Matias.

The three fugitive Irishmen, he added, "will surely stay in their country, where there is an ongoing peace process but no extradition process" with Colombia.

Ahern broke off his holiday in Kerry, southwest Ireland, to meet on Monday with senior government officials, the US ambassador and the British charge d'affaires, a spokesman for the Irish prime minister said.

Ahern "has also requested that the Irish ambassador to Colombia, who is resident in Mexico, travel to Bogota to meet with the Colombian authorities ... to set out the Irish legal and political context and to listen to anything they have to say," the spokesman said.

Ahern said his government had no prior knowledge of the trio's return, and called for a "calm and clear-headed" approach to the controversy.

Government officials in Dublin earlier said the three Irish fugitives' lives would be in danger if they were thrown in a Colombian jail.

Colombia's Vice President Francisco Santos told RTE state radio Monday that the trio should serve their sentences, either in Ireland or Colombia.

"We will have to see what possibilities Irish law will give us," he said. "But the least we expect from the Irish government is they either serve their sentence in Irish jails or that they be extradited."

Santos said the case was clear-cut: the men had been convicted and sentenced for terrorist offences and then skipped bail and were the subject of an Interpol warrant.

The trio were arrested at Bogota airport in August 2001 after returning from FARC-controlled areas. They were initially acquitted on charges of training guerrillas but were convicted of travelling on false documents and sentenced to jail terms of between 26 and 44 months.

They were released on bail pending a government appeal to a higher court, which in December convicted and sentenced them to 17-year prison terms before they absconded.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20050809/wl_afp/colombiairelandira_050809081847

Hunter says on Aug 10, 2005, 10:39:

The Irish Goverment has several Sinn Fein members of Parliament in it, also the IRA/Sinn Fein control many other members of parliament, law makers etc. in Ireland.

I would say that there is no hopes of getting them extradited.

Hunter

Hunter says on Aug 10, 2005, 10:39:

The Irish Goverment has several Sinn Fein members of Parliament in it, also the IRA/Sinn Fein control many other members of parliament, law makers etc. in Ireland.

I would say that there is no hopes of getting them extradited.

Hunter

kernow62 says on Aug 10, 2005, 15:02:

I would agree!

platano says on Aug 10, 2005, 17:33:

Colombia 3 - wrong people in the dock...Uproar in Ireland as escaped prisoners arrive home...by Andrew - WSM....Monday, Aug 8 2005

The trial of the Colombia 3 has produced a frenzy of speculation in the Irish media about whether they are guilty or not, and how this might effect the 'peace process'. What is all too lacking, however, is any background to Colombia itself. This is not too surprising. Andrew Flood looks at the situation there and argues that it is the Colombian state that should be in the dock.

According to the US based NGO Global Exchange "In 2001, nine out of every ten trade unionists who were killed worldwide were Colombian, making Colombia the most dangerous country on the planet in which to be associated with a union." Since 1984 around 4,000 have been killed. According to the International Labor Organization (ILO), the vast majority of trade union murders are the committed by either the Colombian state itself - e.g. army, police and DAS (security department) - or its indirect agents, the right-wing paramilitaries.

By September of 2002 over 4.1 million US trade unionists had voted to end U.S. military aid to Colombia. The Communication Workers of America (CWA), for instance stated that unions' fight for peace and against corporate power in Colombia make them, "targets for assassination, torture and dismemberment by the rightwing paramilitary AUC (Colombian United Self Defense) often acting in league with transnational corporations and official government forces and with almost absolute impunity from prosecution or court action."

US funding for the Colombian military and police make it the 3rd largest recipient of U.S. military aid in the world. In addition the U.S. government has trained over 10,000 of Colombia's military troops at the School of the Americas (SOA) in Fort Benning, Georgia. SOA training manuals show that the SOA encouraged troops to torture and murder those who do "union organizing and recruiting," pass out "propaganda in favor of the interests of the workers," and "sympathize with demonstrators or strikes."

Amnesty International cites the example of "the attempted murder of trade union leader Wilson Borja Díaz in December 2000, in which several active and retired military and police officers were found to be implicated. Immediately after the attack, national paramilitary leader Carlos Castaño admitted responsibility for it". Castaño has been quoted elsewhere as saying "In the case of trade unionists, we kill them because they prevent others from working."

The right wing paramilitaries are closely connected not only with the Colombian state but also with western corporations. On July 20, 2001, the United Steelworkers of America and the International Labor Rights Fund (ILRF) filed a lawsuit in U.S. district court against the Coca-Cola Company and its locally-owned bottling company in Colombia, the Panamerican Beverage Company (Panamco) alleging that management at Coca-Cola plants in Colombia have used paramilitaries to crush unions with a campaign of threats, kidnap and murder. The suit was filed on behalf of a Coca-Cola union in Colombia, SINALTRAINAL (Sindicato Nacional de Trabajadores de la Alimentacion).

The case was taken after Mr. Munera Lopez was gunned down in the doorway of his mother's home in Barranquilla during a short visit to his family. He was murdered just days after a favourable ruling by the Colombian Constitutional Court in his human rights case Mr. Lopez., was the eighth trade union leader working for Coca-Cola bottlers to have been murdered in recent years, according to the United Steelworkers of America President Leo W. Gerar.

Of course all this also goes some way to explaining why political activists visiting Colombia might feel the need to travel on false documents. But in any case it's quite clear that it's the Colombian state and not the Colombian three should be in the dock. They are accused of aiding the largest of the armed groups that oppose the Colombian state, the FARC. Below a Colombian anarchist active in Antimilitarismo Sonoro' writes about the roots of the armed struggle in their country and its effect today.

"At the beginning of the 1960s several communist experiments were born, among them the commune which became known as 'Marquetalia'. This commune was bombed and destroyed by the army in alliance with the US army.The very few survivors of this massacre funded what was later to be known as the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC). The destruction of the commune led to the formation of several other guerrilla groups. Among the ones that can be mentioned are: ELN (National Liberation Army), M19 (April 19th Movement), EPL (Popular Liberation Army), a co-ordination they tried to form in the 1980s called CGSB (Simon Bolivar Guerrilla Co-ordinator), and Quintin Lame (named after an indigenous outlaw, this was an indigenous guerrilla group).

The 'Dirty war' was crude, seriously weakening several of these groups, which would enter peace talks and return into civilian life, ending up as political parties. Later, 'paramilitary' groups would massacre many of the militants of these groups, including Carlos Pizarro Leon-Gomez, Bernardo Jaramillo Ossa and Jaime Pardo Leal, all of them running for president in 1990s elections. This massacre included over 3,000 militants of UP (political party formed from M19) during the following decade, as well as hundreds of different labour unionists, students, teachers human rights, left-wing and social activists etc.

This situation, which blocked alternative routes to power for these groups intensified the war and took it to the point it is at today, where what is being discussed is the share of power each group is going to have. There are two sides in struggle. Both are extremely militarist, both are convinced that they are capable of winning the war and both lack wide political support among the civil population. For both, their expectation is instead a political leadership based on economic and military strength.

Recently, peace talks with FARC have been taking place in the southern 'demilitarised' area of San Vicente Del Caguan. The reality is that the so-called demilitarisation of this area is more of a smoke screen because FARC has traditionally had complete control over this area (which is the size of Switzerland but very poorly populated as it in the middle of the jungle), and the state and its military has never had a very active presence.

The current situation of war in Colombia and the everyday decreasing credibility of the guerrillas and their political programme have helped feed alternative movements of resistance. These come from the idea of civil unarmed resistance, and preach positions such as 'Civil Disobedience' as alternative strategies. Although they are generally reformist in nature, they have looked for creative ways to oppose official policies.

Another example is that of the NGO's who have been targeted by paramilitaries and who lost many of their militants over the last decade, resulting in their development of incredible networks of 'contra-information' that can now be used by radical activists.

On the other hand, the indigenous movements have a huge tradition of resistance. Quintin Lame, an indigenous person from Colombia, bears the record for the most times in prison in Colombia, due to his different activities of resistance, and an indigenous guerrilla group in the 1980s was named after him, as mentioned earlier."

plátano

juancegomez says on Aug 13, 2005, 12:19:

Sofisma de Distracción Emocional That's what best describes the article that platano posted.

With that kind of reasoning, then everybody should be using false passports and training FARC members because it's automatically a valid thing to do.

Too bad that most civilized critics and opponents of the Colombian status quo DON'T in fact agree with that article's misguided and misleading line of reasoning (even if SOME, note, SOME of the things mentioned in the article are sadly true, even if they are described incorrectly).

A more comprehensive answer would seem to be irrelevant as most of the points have already been made in other threads in discussions with platano himself, really.

Si antes no han hecho ninguna diferencia, menos van a hacerlo ahora.

ronald1168 says on Sep 17, 2005, 14:26:

Ireland 3 are 100% Guilty Ireland should sign a extradition treaty with Colombia and get that scum back to Colombia where they should be in Jail.







Ronald Donders
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