2010 World Cup Update and impact on Seleccion Colombia

Simon says on Apr 17, 2009, 15:51:

Thanks for that info, Steven! Let's pray Colombia makes it!

"Just an honest, decent Colombian trying to do the right thing."--Simon

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el norteño (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 17, 2009, 15:57:

utopiacowboy says on Apr 17, 2009, 15:57:

CONCACAF is worthless. They should only get two spots and give the other two to CONMEBOL.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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el norteño (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 17, 2009, 16:03:

coastalad says on Apr 17, 2009, 16:40:

in more important news, Australia only need 1 point from 3 matches to guarantee a spot in South Africa!

always avoiding white picket fences

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tannedincali (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 17, 2009, 16:53:

kenblanquito says on Apr 17, 2009, 17:30:

Colombia's problem is the inability to score goals as far as I can recall. Their defense is quite sound.
It also does not help matters that the country changes the manager with the same frequency as Chelsea does in England.
A big shame because quite often the midfield plays very well, which is a good foundation for any team..
Let us prey; mathematically they can qualify but they will need to be a bit more forceful up front: a Lineker, Shearer or Owen of old would work wonders! Take a few chances Colombia and you could beat anyone in the group. They must win their home matches and obtain 2 draws away. Let us prey!

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antiguru says on Apr 17, 2009, 18:03:

hey stevenycer
what do you know about los juegos americanos scheduled for medellin in april 2010.

what's the scope of the tournament, what teams are coming, etc.?

thanks for any info

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utopiacowboy says on Apr 17, 2009, 19:30:

How many times have we heard this about a team? They can't finish. I've seen plenty of teams dominate matches but they can't seem to get the ball in the net. Colombia is one of them. Mexico has the same problem but most of their damage is self-inflicted due to their stupid style of play.

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STEVENYCER says on Apr 17, 2009, 20:02:

A couple of remarks:

Utopi and Norteño bring up interesting suggestions. The problem is that there are nearly 30 National Soccer Teams in the Nothern Hemisphere and only a dozen or so in South America. I'm pretty sure that, like it or not, they get a pass becuase of that. I suppose FIFA sorta makes up for it for allowing CONMEBOL 4 out of 12 being the stronger division, as opposed to 3 out of 30 plus in CONCACAF.

Coincidentally, the 20009 CONCACAF Gold Cup will be held in the USA betweeh July 3rd and July 26 2009, as the US goes for the three-peat. Interesting to see what kinda of team they field with so much emphasis on WORLD CUP qualifying.

Tanned, I'm not confident in Colombia's ability to defeat MExico in a VERY hypothetical playoff scenario.

Antiguru, which games do you speak of so I can WIKI it too? :)

Costalad: The Asian Football Confederation has been allocated 4.5 qualifying berths for the 2010 FIFA World Cup, Australia is looking like the favorite since they movde from OCEANIA. I can't put anymore info, because I want to keep this thread from becoming extinct to having no relation to Colombia. :)

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manINred says on Apr 17, 2009, 23:03:

I disagree UC. While CONCACAF does not deserve the amount of places that it gets, the other spots should go to Europe or Africa, not to South America. We don't need Bolivia or this year's Colombia polluting the world cup. 5 of 10 spots is about half to South America, that's enough.

Colombia have been terribly, terribly disappionting, and unless something drastic changes, they do not deserve to go through. They do not have the class or quality on the pitch to do well at the moment, they simply do not have any world class players other than perhaps Ivan Cordoba who doesn't even play on the national team anymore, and there's no way in hell any living Colombian can come close to being compared to the likes of Lineker . That's why they cannot score goals. They are adequate defensively, but that's not good enough.

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billyb says on Apr 17, 2009, 23:13:

"CONCACAF is worthless. They should only get two spots and give the other two to CONMEBOL."

True. But, as MIR points out, is the #5 in CONMEBOL any more deserving? If it is Colombia, why of course ;) why the fok has scoring gols always been such a task for Colombia, always in big games? It always breaks your heart.

"All I want to know is where I'm going to die, so I never go there" Unkown (at least to me) wise man.

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antiguru says on Apr 18, 2009, 03:53:

Steven they are called the South American Games, or juegos sudamericanos. being hosted by medellin starting apr 2010

WIKI: IX South American Games (Spanish: Juegos Sudamericanos; Portuguese: Jogos Sul-Americanos) are a multi-sport event to be held in 2010 in Medellín, Colombia. The Games are organized by the South American Sports Organization (ODESUR), who awarded the Games to the city with 8 votes over the bid by previous host Santiago, Chile (6 votes).[1]

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markobhoy says on Apr 18, 2009, 12:21:

in my opinion the north and south american confedarations should be merged. USA and mexico are practically guaranteed to qualify for each world cup, yetusually they are only the standard of a mediocre european or south american nation, such as belgium, sweden or uruguay for example...

if the USA and/or mexico could qualify in a pan american group by beaiting the likes of colombia/chile/uruguay, then fair enough, they would definitely deserve it. they should have to compete to be included, just like every other country in the world.

incidentally, in my opinion, they would do so once every two or three championships, which would be a decent record.

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tannedincali (☼Travelguide writer) says on Apr 18, 2009, 14:38:

markobhoy says on Apr 18, 2009, 15:45:

i don't really want to be argumentative, but the above listed are nowhere near to being world class. they are good players...yepes and renteria are playing at a decent level and vargas and perea are playing at a pretty good level...but none of them are not regarded as being close to being world class. none of them are playing in any champions league teams, though of course vargas has been sucessful with boca.

i liked perea a few years ago, although he hasn't progressed as much as i thought he would...he still gets drawn out of position and can be a bit too rash, though he's still a good player.

the only colombian who could be anywhere near being classified as world class is ivan cordoba...it's a pity he isn't playing for the national team anymore. mosquera of sevilla is also pretty good and is playing at a high level, as is rivas of inter, of course.

in my opinion, colombia has a lot of decent players all around the same level. their third team wouldn't be far worse than their best eleven :)

the boy freddy montero from cali, who is in the MLS looks decent for the future. also i would love to see how giovanny moreno would cope at a higher level, in a more pressing game. if he could persist with his style of play and be effective at that level, you could have a potential star there

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romy says on Apr 18, 2009, 16:40:

markobhoy- I pretty much agree with most of what you said on your last comment. Just of note, Atletico Madrid is a champions league team...
Worth mentioning is that Colombian's have great hope in Christian Zapata becoming world class, though he seemed a bit shaky this week against Werden Bremen.
Mosquera seemed like the real deal when he played for Pachuca but finds himself in an uncomfortable position at Sevilla not having convinced at centerback and being used mostly at right back as of late.

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coffee beaner says on Apr 18, 2009, 17:12:

Colombia will not make it to the World Cup with coaches like Rueda, Pinto or Lara. We need a real coach like Bielsa... The Colombian Federation said he was to expensive and now look where he has Chile at.

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markobhoy says on Apr 18, 2009, 17:16:

you're spot on about atletico madrid...i'm slightly embarrased now.

on a similar point, just reading back my point about the players not even playing for CL teams...i probably haven't expressed myself well enough. each player mentioned could play in the CL. in reality each has the ability to play for my own team (celtic) that plays in the CL each year. though, my point should have been that it is VERY rare for truly world class players not to be playing there. there are obvious exceptions, but the ones listed are not amongst these.

you might be right about mosquera as well. if the situation persists he might have to go elsewhere to play in the centre. i've barely seen zapata, though he's a player who is highly rated...wenger of arsenal has been consistently watching him for at least a year according to the papers

the thing that i always feel about this colombia team is that it is tactically terrible. they don't really have any real strategy to play...they just play freely, like an african team. a perfect example of this was the game against uruguay, who are tactically pretty good. they have a good defence and they look to counter attack or attack from set pieces with forlan, lugano and eguren....

colombia are trying to play a free/open game, when in reality they don't have a valderrama to dictate the pace of the game, they don't have rincon running and creating chances for a striker with world class movement and finishing like asprilla. this current squad has no-one of these talents, so they should be playing a more cautious, tactically aware game.

anyway these are just the thoughts of a scottish boy...you'll see and know more of colombia than i do :)

lastly, it would be cool to have more football posts

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MitchAlvarez says on Apr 20, 2009, 12:43:

gio deja de hablar mierda parcero jajajaja

a lo bien no hay jugadores llave......... vos crees que cualquier tecnico va poner a jugar bien a estos mochos hp no marica las cosas hay que decirlas como son. parce a lo bien analize las otras selecciones... mejor que ni vayan que hijueputa pena

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drvannostren says on Apr 20, 2009, 15:37:

Im looking at the dates and i think i might be able to go to that Colombia vs. Peru game at El Campin, would it be hard or super expensive to get tickets? Ive been to a couple games in Medellin, never saw a box office, but just bought from scalpers, would this be the procedure in bogota as well.

No matter where you go, the Korean tour bus isn't far behind.

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romy says on Apr 20, 2009, 17:24:

I hadn't noticed the post here but Colombia will play Peru in Medellin (Atanasio Girardot), tickets will be more expensive than regular games I think the highest is 200k.

Markobhoy, I believe Colombia needs a foreign coach that the players will respect and maybe even fear. Pinto tried introducing a tactically sound game, however dissent from the players turned into terrible results and him being replaced. It's true an Asprilla or
Valderrama would tremendously help, however I believe there's enough talent in Colombia to consistently make the world cup, just haven't been able to put it together in a while.

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utopiacowboy says on Apr 20, 2009, 19:18:

Maybe they can hire Sven now that he's available again. Good analysis, Markobhoy.

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coffee beaner says on Apr 20, 2009, 19:38:

Mitch en Colombia tenemos jugadores buenos lo que pasa es que son una manada de vagos que creen que ya llegaron al cielo porque juegan futbol parce.... y eso se ve hasta en el futbol colombiano con ejemplos como el de Millonarios y Nacional. Jugadores de mierda que ganan millonadas y les falta guevas en la cancha. Y ni por el hp ps Chile tiene mejores jugadores que Colombia pero si tienen un tecnico que los pone a sudar la camiseta, eso tambien va en la mentalidad del jugador.

Como les cantaron a los de Nacional ayer "Policia, Policia, den la vuelta para tras, esos son ladrones, vestidos de Nacional"

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MitchAlvarez says on Apr 20, 2009, 21:57:

jajaja chimba de equipo el que tenemos parce............DESCARADOSSS

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