100% Colombian huh?

morphus says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:06:

Real Colombians are Indio like Elmo. All the mestizos and whities are confused about what they are so they adopt American and Mexican culture.

kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:10:

I don't agree, My family and I are mestizos and we Haven't adopt any American or Mexican Culture. But now that Elmo lives in the USA and practically he grew up there, does it make him less Colombian than the Colombians?

Dan says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:17:

Elmo.. less Colombian? I don't think so...

One thing that came to mind was thinking that the Puerto Ricans in New York are not real Puerto Ricans... (well, there are more there than the island, it seems)

God Bless America!

Colombiche says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:18:

Do you own a least one pair of really tight white pants that you wear with long earrings and platform sandals?

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:22:

jeje Colombiche I never wore white trousers because it made my bum looks big hehe but i did wore the earrings and the sandals :(((... geez maybe I am not Colombian afterall :o

pedro says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:25:

I've seen a few guys walking the street in tight white pants, long earrings and platform sandals.

Oh wait, that's the test for 100% marica. :o)

¡save pow wow!

Colombiche says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:26:

Sorry kat, you are almost there but you need the super tight WHITE PANTS.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:33:

I knew it! Colombiche hehe

Morphus is base his opinion on Elmo's theory

greg says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:33:

You were born in Colombia so you are 100% Colombian. No more or no less than any other Colombian. Doesn`t matter where you live now, how you dress or what music you listen to. Same for anyone born in any country. IMHO

greg says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:36:

I think if you were born there you are just as Colombian as anyone else born there. Doesn`t matter if you wear tight pants, although i do like that part.

kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:37:

I agree greg and although you will have a bit of influence of the country you are living now this doesn't make you less Colombian.

what about kids who are born abroad and both parents are Colombian , will you consider then 100% Colombian?

LA_MONA says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:41:

colombiche:
"Do you own a least one pair of really tight white pants that you wear with long earrings and platform sandals?"

I do jaja

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

Colombiche says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:44:

There you go, I always knew you deserved that vueltiao.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

MitchAlvarez says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:44:

My parents are from Medellin but I was born and raised in New York. But I consider myself colombian as well. I dont have the Colombian citizenship or anything but Im actually considering the benefits of dual citizenship. If others know about this topic, please enlighten me.

thanks

Tengale miedo a una huelga de mujeres o a una escacez de aguardiente. :)

Simon says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:46:

A real Colombian is someone who doesn't go around making the country look bad in front of others!

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

LA_MONA says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:47:

Colombiche I wore white pants this summer, the short style ones that are in fashion, more like shorts really and actually they looked quite nice. You don't own any white pants?

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

MitchAlvarez says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:48:

Man i love colombianas lindas en sus blue jeanes blanquitos apretaditos. lol love them. :)

but anyways back to the topic........ simon love what you wrote man. good comment

Tengale miedo a una huelga de mujeres o a una escacez de aguardiente. :)

vicshere says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:49:

"A real Colombian is someone who doesn't go around making the country look bad in front of others!"
actually a 100% Colombian goes around the country bad mouthing everything and trying to get the hell out of here

listo

MitchAlvarez says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:50:

lol vicshere is looking for controversy and attention. lol

Tengale miedo a una huelga de mujeres o a una escacez de aguardiente. :)

vicshere says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:50:

hehehehehe dam i have been had

listo

ColombianoGringo says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:54:

"what about kids who are born abroad and both parents are Colombian , will you consider then 100% Colombian?"

That depends on their upbringing. I was born and reared in the US, but I grew up in a very Colombian home where we were not even allowed to speak English. We were brought up with Colombian traditions, food and music. Sadly, most Colombians and other Latinos don't bother to even teach their kids Spanish, let alone their traditions and culture. I think that is pathetic and those parents should be ashamed. Hell, even my kids speak and read Spanish and their mom is a Gringa.

MitchAlvarez says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:58:

man i was forced into it anyways. if i spoke english in my house no one understood. mother, grandma, and aunts watched novelas all day. father and uncle listened to rcn radio todo el berraco dia. my neighbors were all friends of my mother from la floresta, belen, san javier, itagui.

i dont regret it. i love it actually. but its not like i really had a choice. :)

Tengale miedo a una huelga de mujeres o a una escacez de aguardiente. :)

Simon says on Nov 12, 2007, 14:59:

"Sadly, most Colombians and other Latinos don't bother to even teach their kids Spanish, let alone their traditions and culture."

That's so true! When I was in the US, I knew this "Colombian guy", born in the US named Javier who didn't speak any Spanish and the prick didn't even know what the Colombian flag looked like!

Eso es el colmo!!

"You want to talk to God? Let's go see him together, I've got nothing better to do."---Indiana Jones (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

LA_MONA says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:04:

Mitch and Simon, I agree when I have kids they'll only speak spanish at home if I can have my way, it's so sad to see colombian kids speak no spanish.

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

MitchAlvarez says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:09:

I know families like that. The sad part about it is that they think they are doing the child a good. They feel like they want their child to be very eloquent in english so they can be "succesfull". They fail to see the Globalization of economies and the fact that being bilingual in today's job market is a no longer a plus, its a necessity. Furthermore, I'm no rocket scientist but isnt easier for a child to learn several languages at the earlier stages of their lives rather then when they are 30 and trying to get a new job before they get laid off.

Ive had this arguement one to many times. Its really sad... and ignorant.

Tengale miedo a una huelga de mujeres o a una escacez de aguardiente. :)

ColombianoGringo says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:13:

The typical bullshit answer of the US born child of Latin immigrants when asked whether they speak Spanish...

"I don't speak it, but I understand it." Pathetic!

Mitch, I can't tell you how many Latin people I know in the US who can barely communicate with their Spanish speaking relatives. My parents both speak English and got college degrees in the US, but they still insisted on teaching us our language and heritage. The problem is that most parents let their kids do whatever the hell they want and give up on teaching them Spanish because the kids roll their eyes and whine about it.

Colombiche says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:20:

I have a couple of cousins exactly the same age as me. They were born and raised in Canada and don't speak a word of spanish. I find people like that PATHETIC. It's not really their fault, it is the fault of their "acomplejado" parents that thought their kids would be better off not speaking their mother tongue.

Luckily I was born and raised in Colombia so I learned spanish right out of the womb. It was rough picking up the english language, but l was young enough that I was able to learn it well enought to speak it almost like a native. It's a plus because right now any project that pops up in the latin american region is automatically mine. I honestly think I am having the best of both worlds.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

Colombiche says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:22:

Not to mention that there is a growing customer base of spanish speakers in Canada and the US. Speaking both languages allows you to tap into two markets.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

LA_MONA says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:26:

So do you have any white jeans or not ;-)

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

LA_MONA says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:27:

Kat who said you're not colombian?

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

ColombianoGringo says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:29:

I guess my wife counts as 100% Colombian by those standards because she has a pair of white pants that must have been bought in the kid's section.

Colombiche says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:30:

Yes I do, I have a pair of tight white pants....... (lowering my head).

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

LA_MONA says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:31:

And dangly earrings too? con rrrazon te llamás tan descaradamente colombiche, no?

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

Colombiche says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:31:

Mona, plenty of people around here accusing others of not being colombian enough. Ironically, they are usually american born and posting out of the US area.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

Grongo says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:34:

If they are born in the U.S. it is more important that they speak English. I think it is good that they are assimilating.

Dan says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:35:

come to think of it... my (almost ex)wife has probably a couple pair of white pants and like mentioned above, looks to be from the childrens section. not to mention all the dangly ear rings and huge loop ear rings and who knows what else.

God Bless America!

billyb says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:38:

What are those big hoops for? Hooking their heels on?

ColombianoGringo says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:39:

Definitely 100% Colombiana

Colombiche says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:40:

Hoops and chandeliers. I am guilty on both counts your honor.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

ColombianoGringo says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:40:

"If they are born in the U.S. it is more important that they speak English."

Strangely enough, the abilities to speak English and speak Spanish are not mutually exclusive.

LA_MONA says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:41:

I rarely wear hoops, my husband hates them and I'm not that mad on them either, but I got a few like the ones posted jeje

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

Colombiche says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:42:

The last picture ColombianoGringo posted, I have those exact same chandeliers. Exactly.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

LA_MONA says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:43:

OMG do you remember the pic I had posted on here before? I had super dangly earrings on in that pic!

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

ColombianoGringo says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:45:

My wife loves those dangly things. I asked her once if she wanted a pair of diamond stud earrings and she said "No. They are boring."

LA_MONA says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:47:

Oh I would have taken them, I have a few of those already, never say no to a diamond nonono

Colombice I have ones like the middle pic jaja

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

Dan says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:47:

those look just like what the (ex)wife has.

God Bless America!

Dan says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:50:

my (ex)wife has some hoop ones like this:

God Bless America!

Tinto (Moderator) says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:50:

I have a pair exactly like the ones in ColombianoGringo's first picture. And I'm wearing them today.

LA_MONA says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:51:

Ayyyy tinto, they must look divine on you darling!

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

ColombianoGringo says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:54:

Mona. She has really odd taste when it comes to jewelry. When I asked her what shape diamond she wanted for her engagement ring, she had no clue what shapes existed. So I showed her the DeBeers page and she chose heart shaped. Here is what her ring looks like, but with a larger diamond.

LA_MONA says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:55:

Dan you were doing such a good job of adding ex to the wife in the previous comments, but in the last one you slipped up ;-) Just say my X jaja

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

Dan says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:56:

jeje.. working on it...

That heart shaped rock is nice!!

God Bless America!

LA_MONA says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:58:

Well I wouldn't have chosen the heart shape, but a diamond is a diamond. White gold?

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

Dan says on Nov 12, 2007, 15:59:

my guess is Platnum

God Bless America!

LA_MONA says on Nov 12, 2007, 16:02:

* ;-)

Para volar, es preciso tener resistencia. -M.Lin

ColombianoGringo says on Nov 12, 2007, 16:06:

Honestly, I thought it was a little corny, but the whole concept of overpriced chips of carbon is pretty stupid to begin with. Luckily, I have lots of connections in the jewelry industry so I get wholesale prices. Even so, heart shaped diamonds are very difficult to find.

Dan says on Nov 12, 2007, 16:12:

I have a nice loose heart shaped emerald... like mona said... a diamond is a diamond. :-)

God Bless America!

Lisa Zee says on Nov 12, 2007, 17:07:

Hey guys I must not be 100% Colombian, I have the white pants, the earrings, but not the" all Colombians zapatos de tacon ROJOS"
Ok now, what about if you son has an American father and Colombian mother, I spoke nothing but Spanish to my son and we went twice a year until he was 12? is he a gringo or Colombian?

strata2woman says on Nov 12, 2007, 17:35:

I only wear white pants for a velorio, I hate white pants. I can't wear hoops, chandeliers or any other type of earrings. My earlobes are pierced, 3/4" plugs or tunnels is what I can wear.
I only wear stilettos or flats, I dislike platforms. I enjoy a good vallenato as much as I enjoy Billie Holiday and the Blues, I can dance a killer mapale or do the swing, and I can do it without having to question my own colombianismo. I am me, A Colombia Woman, as different as el terreno de mi tierra.

- con sombrero vueltiao y abarcas de tres puntá! -

NataliaV says on Nov 12, 2007, 18:09:

Lisa Zee - He is Colombian. I believe it is all in how your raised. I am like your son...colombian mother and american father. I grew up more around my colombian family with all the culture and traditions of a typical colombian family. my only thing is not being able to speak fluent spanish. I would never say my mother was a pathetic, or a crappy parent as was said in earlier posts. my mother was a wonderful parent, but my sister and i both refused to learn we when we were younger.
Even though I may not speak fluently, I feel I am no less colombian than someone who does.

Lisa Zee says on Nov 12, 2007, 18:24:

Thanks Natalia, It has not been easy for me wanting to talk Spanish to my son, he used to tell me " speak English, we are in America". I spoke English with his father so he only got the Spanish from me and all the trips to Colombia. His English is very poor, and it makes me sad. He sometimes says he is Colombian to his friends.
I am VERY proud to be 100% Colombian!.

john_stark says on Nov 12, 2007, 19:07:

"Eso es el colmo!!"

That's the first time you've made me laugh, Simon, because that's a phrase my wife uses all the time.

kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 12, 2007, 23:23:

simon says "A real Colombian is someone who doesn't go around making the country look bad in front of others!"

IVichshere said "A real Colombian is someone who doesn't go around making the country look bad in front of others!"
actually a 100% Colombian goes around the country bad mouthing everything and trying to get the hell out of here

I totally agree, i don't know if simon and other talks to Colombians in Colombia. but hell many of them talk so negative about the country.


About a mother being pathetic, i don't agree!, my kids speak Spanish but my daughter didn't want to speak the language until she was about 9 or 10, she refused and being the only Latina around here was difficult, there were not other influence, like Grandmothers, or friends etc,thanks God i was able to take her to Colombia and she changed her mind.but some kids are not that fortunate.


don't call a mother pathetic until you have your OWN kids.

morphus says on Nov 13, 2007, 04:32:

A real Colombian does'nt abandon their country to live in another country for financial gain. Those ones are only 50% Colombian.

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 05:08:

If you speak or spoke the Injun language and lived in a NATIVE village on
what is now now called Colombia, then you’re a real Colombian, if not! you’re just a fokin immigrant to my land. .
In USA the only real Americans are the NATIVE peoples the rest are just fokin immigrants to their lands, guys with names like Anderson, Smith etc. and especially ethnic names like Tom Tancredo that sonamanbiche should take the first boat back to fokin Sically where ever the fock that is. .
If you could walk in the middle of the night into a FARC camp in the foking jungle and start breaking dishes and making a lotta fokin noise waking up Tiro fokin Fijo and nothing happens to you, then you is a real Colombian.
If you could do the same in an AUC camp a few miles down and wake up Jorge fokin 40 and nothing happen to you then you is a real Colombian.
If you could walk in the middle of a drunken Guajiro bar and dance with their women and nothing happens to you then you is a real Colombian.
If you experience Colombian poverty and hard core discrimination worst than USA in the 20's then you is a real Colombian just like 60 percent of the population.
If you can’t walk around Barcelona with out getting chase by smelly unwashed Spanish skinheads then you is a real Colombian.
If you’re not allowed in Mangos or Mr. Babilla then you is a real Colombian.
IF COLOMBINAS DON’T GIVE YOU FREE CHUCHA AND INSTEAD GIVE IT AWAY TO EVERY OTHER MODOQUES IN THE PLANET at the same time go around saying how proud their are to be colombian THEN YOU IS A REAL COLOMBIAN.
All the above applies to me, therefore I’m MOST CERTAINLY the MOST Real Colombian in this fokin place.
Thank you!!!

Plato says on Nov 13, 2007, 05:25:

Same as ColombianGringo, Mitch Alvarez, etc. Born in the USA to Colombian parents. Spanish was my first language; grew up with all Colombian traditions. Fluent in both languages - reading and writing although I write write English more often. I only started liking baseball and American Fooball later in life . Blah, blah , blah.

In fact, my family retains much of the values of the hardworking, honorable, "buen Colombiano" of the early 1960s; the second wave of mostly questionable Colombians that came in the 1980s. Sorry - but it's true.

In the end, the U.S.A. is number one for me, so I guess I'm not 100% Colombian, just a son of Colombian immigrants.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

Plato says on Nov 13, 2007, 05:29:

Elmo - you're an immigrant just like my parents. Please bro'. You could be injun all you want, but you're a fokin gringo! Then why live in the USA? Why work here, earn and live off your USA salary? Then run back to Colombia when your retire?

Why can't Mother Colombia support you financially? You see, my cousins in Medellin have been laid off at mid-career in Colombia because private sector companies don't want to pay penisons. Let's not get into economics and why Colombians go abroad for economic opportunity.

What goes for my Colombian family goes for you too and any other Colombians who left Colombia for economic opportunity. No me joda loco!

Why is it that all Colombians abroad say. " Colombia is nice to visit, but with money. I only would live there after I retire and have some US pension dollars and soicial security." Then Colombians go back and lord it over all other REAL colombians who actually live in there and put up with the fu#C%*ked up economics over there. Those are indeed the real Colombians! As far as I'm concerned, if you live outside of Colombia, you're not 100% Colombian! Period! You're host country is feeding you and sheltering you, etc. Most likely you wouldn't have the opportunities in Colombia as you do now in your host country.


Lastly, we have American Native injuns here too, or do you think you have a monopoly on the injun thing?

Enuf said.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 05:42:

You do not obey laws of thieves, liars, rapists and murderers from another continent!!
I spent my late teens thru my late 20’s amongst American Injuns AIM (American Indian Movement) so I Know how they feel and I know what they still carry inside.
In my desk at work I still have the ashes belonging to my best friend and one of the leaders of the AIM movement, a Pueblo and Choctaw from Oklahoma.

Plato says on Nov 13, 2007, 05:45:

Esta bien, Elmo. But you know what I'm getting at. Culturally, you - we are - Colombian. But politically and economically - We're AMERICAN Gringos.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 05:51:

This is all fine and dandy when you’re welcome into the middle class Colombian circle but when you’re constantly reminded of what you are even when you have more money than most of those broke ass miserable “Colombian‿ modefoques then is a different ball game.
When colombianas are not opening their legs to you because of what you are then you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. Have you ever sold Butifarra in the streets of curramba at 5 years old to survive??

I have to pay for that Colombian chucha, and to be honest I had a LOT BETTER, gringa and Puerto Rican chucha.
Man, Is all about the CHUCHA
FIRST YOU GET THE MONEY THEN YOU GET THE POWER THEN YOU GET THE CHUCHA.
IN COLOMBIA THAT CHIT DON’T WORK FOR ME!!
THANK YOU!!

Tinto (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 05:57:

We all live in nation states so we are whatever our birth certificates and passports say we are. Beyond that, someone can think and act in accord with whatever nation or culture is in their heart, mind and bones.

Plato says on Nov 13, 2007, 05:57:

Look Elmo, I don't know about the Colombian chucha rant and I will not participate in that here. But I do know the following:

Carlos Vives sings "Todas las tierras son benditas."

And, where are you now? Here or in Colombia? Who pays your salary? Do you pay taxes? Will you retire with gringo dolares? Didn 't you say here that the USA treated you much better than the bullshit you went through in Colombia? Don't you always rant about how Cachacas look down on you in Colombia while the the US, being Indian and having the indian look is hot? God bless the USA and all other host countries Colombians have emmigrated to!

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:04:

don't know about other colombians but i know i will not be concidered an imigrant in a soiux reservation. how do i know? i lived there in the summer of 1971.
I got so much sioux chucha, i might have sioux/wayuu kids in south dakota.
Injuns girlsare pretty but they aint got much of an ass.

Plato says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:06:

Elmo, all I can say is that you're a cosmopolitan. You're all over the place man.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:10:

i'm a metro injun??? jajajjajaj
what i am is an old broke ass injun who wants FREE CHUCHA

Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:10:

A real Colombian? Born and raised in Colombia, also has to think like a Colombian, have Colombian sense of humor and mentality.

For me Kat is more Colombian than Elmo, probably because she was already grown up when she moved to the UK. The environment where kids grow up and go to school is of utmost importance in acquiring cultural identity.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Tinto (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:13:

Yeah, that's a good point. If our personality is pretty much fixed by our early 20s (it might be earlier, I don't know) then we're going to reflect wherever we lived the first 20 years of our lives.

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:18:

man you shouldda seen me int the 80's wearing 8 inch platform shoes and tight polyester shirts and pants and shag hair cut like rod fokin steward
all kiddin aside, i is a real colombian.
It all boils down to this, If i don't get no free colombian chucha . then i is the real MacCoy
take that to the bank

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:21:

I WANT FREE CHUCHA!!!!!!!

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:21:

I WANT FREE CHUCHA!!!

MitchAlvarez says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:24:

plato your making some great points. i dont agree with you 100% but overall your at least articulate well.

elmodefoque i think put to much emphasis on his "chucha". sad because it make me tune out of his comments honestly. ive read some good stuff from him too.


overall i believe that wether your are born in colombia, from colombian parents, raised in colombia, or whatever it doesnt necessarily make you 100% colombian. There is no such thing man. In reality what we need is people who care about the Country. i really give a f^&% where they are from. Not just horny tourists trying to take advantage of poor good looking girls. We need people who care about economic growth and development. Investors trying to make money and aid the recovery process as well. Colombians who are honest and good people and show others what true colombians are made of.

So wether you are 100%, 50%, 10% i dont care. Just make sure you represent whatever you represent well. With dignity, honor, respect and class. IF your business man or a street vendor. If your a millionaire or on welfare. Just have the class, dignity, and grace that true colombians have.

Tengale miedo a una huelga de mujeres o a una escacez de aguardiente. :)

Plato says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:25:

You're dismissing growing up with a family that still lives with the old traditions. Quite easily, I can give you the Amish in America as an example. Those people still live in the 19th century America.

There have been numerous examples here in the New York City. For example, there are Latinos that live here for 30 years and still don't speak the English languages because they live in the "Little (name the country)" enclaves. Just name a group . . . Dominicans, Colombians, Chinese, Mexicans, etc.

Culturally -yes - it is possible to learn and live one's culture as a subset of the general society in the host country.

Politically and economically - no.


Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:27:

tomorrow when i have a little more time, tuesdays is busy for me at work, have to order toilet paper, paper towels etc. .
I'll tell you the story of my friend Dante. He was also originally from la guajira but was now living in barranquilla when we were both 5 thru 10 years old.
The stuff we did and the chit we planned to do to "colombians" when we got older. was not nice.

esanch36 says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:28:

Thats bullshit about who's considered a real american...the fact is that humans beings have been moving around for centuries. assimalating other cultures...cultures come and go...its a fact of life.

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries

Plato says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:28:

Last week, I met a lovely couple from Wales. From far away - one can tell Kat1 is the real deal Colombian - beautiful and charming. But, she's a Brit as far as I'm concerned - in the political and economic sense. I'm sure I looked like a gringo to her.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

Tinto (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:28:

A small clarification: The Amish are trying to live the life they had in 18th or 19th century Germany or Switzerland, not 19th century America.

;-)

P.S. And doing a hell of a lot better with their "hybrid" system than the drunken, unhealthy, unemployed and impoverished Indians/Native Americans on many reservations. There's a lesson to be learned...

MitchAlvarez says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:29:

esanch36 good comment

Tengale miedo a una huelga de mujeres o a una escacez de aguardiente. :)

Plato says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:31:

Thanks Tinto. A great example to support my position.

Real Americans are a mixed breed. But we're also defined by our geographical boundaries, politics, economics, and yes - American culture. Whether one wants to participate in American culture is another story. I find many Americans adopting other cultures. Colombian-Americans like mysefl don't have to do that - it's already ingrained in us.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

esanch36 says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:32:

Its nice to hang on to traditions but not for the sake of your well being..look at the american indians, the have a high sucide rate, alcholism and graduation rate. NPR recently did a program about a man that grew up in a reservation and released what a death trap those places are. He managed to leave get into a regular high school and is succesful now

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:35:

guys, guys guys please, this is all so simple!!
is all about the chucha
If colombianas would only give me free chucha, then i would not be talkin all this chit, i'll be a real colombiano and keep my big mouth shut about racism and injustice.
thank you!
Give me free chucha and i'll shut up!!!

Tinto (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:38:

Elmo, that sounds like a slogan for a street preacher. You ought to go outside and try it at lunch time.

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:46:

dante was such a cool kid.
everybody feared him, but he was my best friend. his eyes were asebache black, like a shark with long greasy dead straight black hair, so black it was almost blue. He had that intese look, the same look a young Roberto Duran brought to the ring.
We washed cars and sold butifarras to middle class Barranquilleros as they went shopping at Sears (no longer there) in el barrio abajo. We looked at those clean pretty sexy 12, 13, 14, and 15 year old barranquilleras with serious boners and desire. they looked at us with TOTAL disgust so did their mothers.
I wish had time to continue but i really gotta get back to work

Colombiche says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:48:

Listen, let me clarify what I meant about in my "pathetic" comment before everybody gets their panties in a bunch.

I gave an example of my cousins. Both my uncle and his wife are 100% paisas, montaneros, come arepa who don't even speak proper English.

They came to Canada, had their kids and purposely spoke to them ONLY in broken English, didnt' allow them to hang out with latinos or speak spanish around the house. I am sorry but that is PATHETIC, RIDICULOUS, STUPID.

My comments wasn't geared at latino/gringo couples who actually teach their kids both cultures, but rather, at people like my aunt and my uncle, who grew up eating mazamorra, panela picada y gelatina crespa and decided upon their landing to teach their kids to eat pizza pops and hotdogs and live in some sort of cultural vacuum. They are spics, but they think they are white, they are racist..... don't recognize it is themselves they really hate. They wouldn't even let them hang out with me and my sister lest we teach them how to be colombian and ruin their canadianess.

My kids will speak spanish. I will make sure of that.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

esanch36 says on Nov 13, 2007, 06:58:

I was the same way...both my parents speak fluent spanish...but they tried speaking to us in spanish but we refused and bitched our way out of it to the point were they gave up..i still think they should have been harder on us and forced us to. I really regret now not learning

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 07:03:

I know this is a bit off-topic but New York City has decided to fine modefoques 1000 dollars for feeding fokin pigeons.
That’s me! I love feeding NYC pigeons, what the fok am I gonna do now?

Colombiche says on Nov 13, 2007, 07:06:

In my cousins' situation it was the parents discouraging the kids from learning anything remotely related to colombian culture. That is what ticks me off.

No me den trago extranjero, que es caro y no sabe a bueno.... (Rafael Godoy)

morphus says on Nov 13, 2007, 07:07:

Feed the rats instead.

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 07:10:

hey morph, i got like 50 bucks in dollar bills in my pocket. How about we gotto queens this sat and pay those ugly broads 2 dollar per dance.

morphus says on Nov 13, 2007, 07:11:

I was at a Mexican wedding a few weeks ago and most of the kids were speaking English. The parents were all speaking Spanish. My Peruvian girl was trying to speak to one girl in Spanish but the girl refused to speak in Spanish.

gabolicious says on Nov 13, 2007, 07:13:

mmmm morphus that is so typical of "mexicans" living in the States...

"The new land of opportunities: Colombia!" ----- Mr Miguel_Clavo on PBH

nueva york bombero says on Nov 13, 2007, 07:14:

Bravo!!! I'm glad to know a real Modefoque like you!!
By the way, I'm 100% gringo from the gringo nation.
I love you crazy Colombians!

Robert Jorge says on Nov 13, 2007, 07:21:

I can see Elmo sitting on the sidewalk in Key West. He has a torn-off piece of cardboard that reads, "Silence for free chucha". But the gringos don't know what chucha means, and most Spanish speaking Latinas would think he is saying, "silence for free opposum." Now if the sign said: "chocha" .... there would be some reaction.

Sorry, that is my hijacking for the day.

esanch36 says on Nov 13, 2007, 07:26:

yeahhh chucha is the smell from your under pits...

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries

kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 07:35:

There are two types of Colombians abroad the ones that move there went they were very young and the older ones, both have grew up culturally different, their views about Colombia are abit different from the views of a Colombia that came to live abroad later on. And then are the Colombians who are in Colombia, I can see how many although i won't say is bad, because it's good somehow try to hard to be like the people born and raised in Colombia, sometimes over-patriotims takes over.

esanch that happened to my daughter she refused and she used to get crossed and yell at me, she learnt it because everytime we went to Colombia and still do I refuse to talk in English to her so her dad, so she had to.

Now my kids are half Colombian but I will said they are more British than Colombian, eve though i try to show them lots ofthings about my culture their main influence is the British one.

Colombiche i do understand but think, those people came to the USA none of them spoke english, they might though that if they start speaking English soon enough even with the kids they will settle better and get good jobs, but as the kids grew up maybe they lost interested in learning the Language, i don't know. Look at esanch is one example. pathetic him! heheheh

I am Colombian and still feel Colombian but yes Britsh culture has rubbed on me but what i learnt and grew up with is still with me, so much that i am still have a bit of my costeno accent even thought i lived in Bogota for ages, and i think because my family are all in Colombia apart from one sister, this is still intact.

BTW I agree with Desi and thanks Plato ;)

and just because i haven't got injun face doesn't mean i am less Colombian, so many of you that haven't got american-indian face are less American?

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 07:42:

i love to continue this but I REALLY, REALLY gotta get back to work
thank you!

morphus says on Nov 13, 2007, 07:52:

I don't have an American Indian face. I consider myself a European mutt living in the U.S.

kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 07:58:

Morphus but you are American not matter what you look like you were born and raised there

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:04:

have you guys ever seen a 100% colombian besides me? here's another one

kalder says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:04:

Yes, but he has the 'Old World' refinement of the most polished of Parisian diplomats.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

billyb says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:05:

Kat, you are as Colombian as they come, who cares what some foreigner on here thinks about what is or what isn't Colombian?

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:05:

still dirt poor BUT STILL PROUD

morphus says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:06:

I was raised in the Bronx. Thats not real America.

kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:08:

ye could just like pocahontas, or any other amrican indian

kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:19:

Thanks Billyb.

Elmo, what are you refering is about looks, and if we are going to talk about what a native Colombia should look like maybe you are right, i don't know, remember Colombia had lots of different tribes, with differents feautures. but take a very young injun girl all the way to the UK or USA and let her grow and raise there and the only Colombia thing she will have will be her features, because the rest she will be as American as the Americans.

kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:19:

Thanks Billyb.

Elmo, what are you refering is about looks, and if we are going to talk about what a native Colombia should look like maybe you are right, i don't know, remember Colombia had lots of different tribes, with differents feautures. but take a very young injun girl all the way to the UK or USA and let her grow and raise there and the only Colombia thing she will have will be her features, because the rest she will be as American as the Americans.

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:21:

and here's our sisters from the north USA. sorry guys but natives from this side of the pond cover themselves from head to toe.

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:22:

you wanna see ILLEGAL MEXICANS (aztecs) ?

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:28:

should i continue, natives 101 from north and south america

kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:33:

Billy why i put this post? is because there are certain members who just because you don't approve patronized or like everything in Colombia they think you are less Colombian, i believe they are the fake Colombians as they not see the reality of our Country, or because we dont "ni chicha ni limona" like serpa then we are not Colombian.

gezz sometimes i talk to some Colombians and they are so negative about the country and how bad it is and blah blah, and how much they want to live abroad as thinking it's better . they don't see colombia as many see it here, sometimes i thing Jesus! if you talk like that in PBH they will crucificed you, they will even say you are not Colombian. this hasn't been aim just at me but other members too.

billyb says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:44:

Kat, I know what you are saying, I have seen it on here, but my thing is, who cares what others think?

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:46:

I'm wasting my time, I come from a country where the WORST thing you could possibly be is INJUN and this is the way is being for hundreds of years.
We still have some native girls that take great pride in themselves and their people, for the rest I’ll just buy for 80 mil pesos.
Thank you!

kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 08:55:

Elmo te estas saliendo de la tangente, we are not talking about that!

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:02:

cordobita, vamos a deja toa esa vaina. lo que me tiene a mi todo emputao es que no me dan chucha gratis.
todo lo que pido es que todas esas colombianitas me traten como tratan a los gringos, regalandole chucha aqui y chucha alla, no dejan a los pobres huevones en paz.
Porque no me dan un poquito de chucha a mi??
yo se, soy un maldito viejo, pero tampoco recibi chucha cuando era un pelao.
dime tu como una colombiana, que esta pasando???

Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:04:

Kat do you remember my "Ni chicha ni limona" thread?
http://poorbuthappy.com/colombia/post/ni-chicha-ni-limon/

The "colombianess" is not in your looks, elmo. The wayuu are just one tribe, one more albeit colourful thread in the tapestry of the human populationof Colombia. The black fisherman from Tumaco,Nariño is just as authentically Colombian as your guajiro tribesman.

It does not really matter, just like billy said. I've met kat and I know sh'es true Colombian who has not forgotten one word of Spanish in all those years. It does not matter if you prefer chardonney to guarapo or chateaubriand to fritanga, listen to Iron Maiden or Diomedes; that's not what makes you or breaks you as a Colombian.

You're Colombian if you think of yourself as a Colombian, answer to all the cultural cues without thinking, can laugh at Colombian jokes without looking for the offense in them, see the good and the bad things in your country, if your heart bleeds for Colombia even if you're living in exile yourself (and especially then). It's not the exaggerated patriotism of some members who get their underwear in a knot every time somebgody critizes Colombia; but rather like something I read in tinto's Colombia site:


She asked me in a thoughtful way,
"What does it mean to be a Colombian?"
"I don't know," I replied.
"It’s an act of faith."
- Ulrike by Jorge Luis Borges

Cheers,
Desi

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:16:

Ladies please, I never said this person or that person is not Colombian. The question was asked " who is 100% Colombian" and of course I immediately thought of me.
Why? Cus I’m fokin Colombian Injun, that simple and that obvious.
Uribe looking colombianos could walk freely all over Spain, I can’t !!! why? Cus his fokin ancestors came from there.
Uribe looking Colombians can’t walk freely in la guajira, why? Cus will kick his fokin ass! why? cus he’s ancestors are not from there.
I hope that clears any misunderstanding
thank you

Miguel says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:18:

¡Que mierda en ese thread!

Someone labels elmodofoque a gringo?
Nothing could be farther than the truth!
kat1 is "more Colombian than him"? Más mierda.
kat1 is a Brit to another poster?

I think you get my drift.

¡VIVA PBSH!

Hablo pura F.M.

kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:18:

I AGREE DESI! and i just looked at that thread it's very interesting, i missed maybe i was in eh Colombia

I was going to say "answer to all the cultural cues without GOOGLING" hehehe

Elmo we are not talking about 100% colombian in Looks.. you maybe be one of the finalist ehhehe

Miguel what next in pbh? Desi is a peruvian heheh

Plato says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:20:

Desi,

A brilliant post. I'll be toasting a scotch in your name soon enough. Just brilliant!

Gracias mi amor.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:20:

You're NOT the first person that comes in my mind when somebody says 100% Colombian... BUT, if you are the first person that comes in YOUR mind, does that make you 100% Colombian? Uribe is just as Colombian, no, he's MUCH MORE Colombian than you, never mind your pure, undiluted wayuu blood (right!) than you.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

ColombianoGringo says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:21:

I was going to say "answer to all the cultural cues without GOOGLING"


Very true.

billyb says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:27:

Desi, that quote from Borges you posted is so true.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:34:

Miguel, you don't need to be offended on Elmo's behalf. He's a big boy and can defend himself.
Elmo did not grow up in Colombia but moved to New York at an early age. The environment in which you grow up is extremely important for you cultural identity. I have never met Elmo and perhaps I'm wrong, but that's just the impression I get reading his posts; a marriage between Barranquilla and New York.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:34:

Uribe only knows from his elitist prestigious little Colombian world. In 10 years in Colombia I lived the true essence of what real Colombia is like. Can you see that little modefoque selling butifarra down my street, HELL NO; I'll kick his fokin ass step on his glasses and take his butifarra money
You have to experience and live it to be part of it, not from office in casa de Nurillo? and before that in a big mansion with 10 black and injun maids.
thank you!
.

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:35:

yes!!! all real colombians grow up in a big fancy mansion with maids and get to study abroad. jajajajaja jijijijijjjj

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:37:

real colombians, in rich, elitist minds that is.

Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:37:

The "elitist little Colombian world" of Mr. Uribe is just as Colombian as your Wayuu village, Elmo. You're discriminating your own people on the grounds of their race and ethnicity

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:40:

he makes up 1 percent of colombians, i make up 99% of the population. do the math
that modefoque has never even drank guarapo, he grew up drinkin Pepsi
and Coke

Plato says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:40:

Ya Elmo esta piedro con este tema .

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

Miguel says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:41:

Desi wrote: " I have never met Elmo and perhaps I'm wrong,"

Yeah, you be wrong!

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:43:

hell yeah i discrriminate, they discriminate against my injun ass all the time.
How? colombianas don't give me free chucha, i bet Uribe got plenty of free chucha

eywed says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:43:

you all have beat this dead horse now just cook it down and you got soap.

Ay Hombe!!!!!

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:43:

fok them, if they can't take a joke!!

billyb says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:43:

Colombia only came into being in the early 19th century, so the peoples that were here before weren't Colombian, but whatever tribe they belonged to or Spanish, so injuns might be more native, but not more Colombian.

Plato says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:44:

Desi, tranquila. Que se haya armado un peo aqui con este tema no importa – tienes la razón! Long live white colombian modefoques!!!!! I hate being discriminated against.

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:44:

Ethnic groups:
mestizo 58%, white 20%, mulatto 14%, black 4%, mixed black-Amerindian 3%, Amerindian 1%
(CIA Factbook, Colombia)

See, Elmo? 1% Amerindian. (You)
20% white (Uribe)

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Plato says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:46:

Eso! Dale bomba carajo!!!

Plato

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those [liberals] who, in time of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.--Dante Alighieri, (1265-1321)

kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:47:

elmo just think in one sector of Colombia, i am Colombian and grew up in Colombia and i try guarapo, chicha didn't like it heh, just as i don't like other things, in the Colombia i grew up we were not rich nor poor but working class. my upbringing was not like yours elmo but certanly not like Uribe either. And that my real Colombia differents to yours

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:48:

Plato has the answer.
Long live colombian white modefouques
and i say
long live colombian injun modefouques!
Problem solved!

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:50:

only 1% or not, we are the REAL NATIVE modefoques so there!!

kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:51:

Yo tengo que hablar con elmo, necesito oir ese accento costeno, hehe

Miguel says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:51:

¡me marcho! "Have a nice day"

morphus says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:51:

At least the white Colombians get a taste of their own medecine when they come to North America. They are no longer white.

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:53:

cordobita, dame tu tele y te llamo ahora mismo

kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:53:

grosero me aguanto pero vulgar no..

kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:53:

;

Tinto (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:54:

Ah baloney... the so-called natives are interlopers, posers and carpet baggers, too. We all came from some place else. Maybe from Adam and Eve, maybe from the primordial sea, or maybe we're all descended from "Lucy" in Kenya.

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:54:

morphus jijjjjijjiiijijijijijiji they are just plain ol SPICS
.MEANWHILE I'M EXOTIC HERE AND GETTING ALL THE FREE GRINGA CHUCHA I WANT JIJIJIJJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA

Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:56:

What was that medicine, morphus?
There's no redeeming value in being "white" or "pink" or anything. It's like a black friend of mine in Palmira used to say "they call us "coloured", what do you mean by coloured? We are black, they are pink, tan, brown, yellow....it's them who are "coloured".

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:56:

cordobita i'm not gonna be grocero ni vulgar lo juro !!!!

Desideria (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:56:

have a nice day Miguel :)

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." —Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Miguel says on Nov 13, 2007, 09:57:

JAJAJA....de ninguna manera ella va a darte su numero porque eres injun. Estás jodido mi llave.

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 10:01:

miquel please tell her i;'m not injun, tell her que me llamo MIKE, CORDOBITA THIS IS ME

kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 10:02:

quien sabe miguel?

Tinto (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 10:08:

Excellent! I have tears in my eyes after watching the LOVE SONG and MARTY'S INTERVIEW WITH SPANISH MIKE. The next time someone says "Gracias" I am going to respond with "Chipotle."

Miguel says on Nov 13, 2007, 10:09:

Oí, casi me mierda en mis própias pantalones marica. Tengo que decir que elmodofoque es un gay que viva en Bogotá y su marido es....¡jejeje!

elmodefoque says on Nov 13, 2007, 10:10:

no le digas el nombre de mi novio, TE LO SUPLICO!!!

kat1 (Moderator) says on Nov 13, 2007, 10:10:

morphus heheheh

Plato says on Nov 13, 2007, 10:12:

White Latins are spics? You’re living in the dream world of the 60s and the 70s where being a “spic" was not in your favor.

White Latins have earned high places in both US private industry and the public sector. White Cubans have done it 20 to 30 years ago (Cisneros is a big name). All Latin ethnic groups are making their move now in a big way. In fact, it’s sheik to to be Latin.