* Who is right?

southern151 says on Jan 24, 2007, 22:22:

Make sure there are plenty of Condoms!... We can all find something, somewhere, even if we are not looking for it!

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pedro says on Jan 24, 2007, 22:29:

They will get plenty of action. Probably even with their own primas, so your sister-in-law better keep her eyes open!

que nota!

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Robert Jorge says on Jan 24, 2007, 23:32:

UC, you are joking, right?
UC, you are joking, right?

--"I believe in making the world safe for our children. But not for our children's children, because I don't think that children should be having sex." - Jack Handy

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Chamo says on Jan 25, 2007, 00:03:

I think... I think your 2 stepsons are lucky as hell! Oh, to be a 17 year old boy and on vacation in Colombia!

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 25, 2007, 00:17:

I think your wife is right. They're too young, have no bulging belly, bald head, a house (hmmm...a trailer), can't offer a marriage and a green card for quite some years and Colombian girls tend not to want to wait too long.

They'll have limited success with "good" girls of their own age. They'll have a lot of fun, party a lot but it won't be be like you imagine either.

Cheers,
Desi
Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example.
Mark Twain [Samuel Langhornne Clemens] (1835-1910)

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 25, 2007, 01:46:

My kids 16 and 14 have great time in Colombia, they all meet specially after 5 because in the afternoon they sleep until 12pm! including their friends.

after 5pm they all dress up and meet in the Park kiosk this is a place where my mum lives, there they hang around until 1 or 2 pm, listening to music, dancing chatting, this happened everyday, on christmas and new years eve, my son and his cousin (18 y/o) stayed there until 6 AM next day! it was ok by me, this place is safe, and the kids are nice.


My daughter had a boyfriend there she thinks she is in love, and my son and his cousin had a couple of girls hehe but I will never give them condoms, I will teach them to look after themselves and is up to them to get them, in Colombia is easy to buy it, but to give them condoms I feel like I am encouraging them to have sex and they will feel embarrassed, another things is that my kids hang around with kids that even if they are 19 they are very much family kids.

My son as soon as he finish College he wants to spend his gap year there, I think is great he enjoy Colombia so my daughter I think they are very lucky.


BTW
DESI WROTE

"They'll have limited success with "good" girls of their own age. They'll have a lot of fun, party a lot but it won't be be like you imagine either".

I Agree.

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kalder says on Jan 25, 2007, 02:28:

I agree with the ladies on this one. I know there's something in the water over there and a huge amount of girls have a casual attitude towards sex. But equally, there's a vast amount of girls who have more standard romantic notions about relationships. Much the same as over 'here' in fact.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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tomtom33 says on Jan 25, 2007, 04:34:

"Oh to be a 17 year old boy..." There is no way in hell that I'd want to do that again. It's so hard to breathe with your head up your ass. Besides hot, young Colombianas seem to find my bulging belly sexy.

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elmodefoque says on Jan 25, 2007, 04:44:

"In her mind young Colombian women are traditional and virtuous and are not going to give it up to these Colombians and their gringo stepbrothers." utopia

UC, she has to be kidding, that's gotta be the most false, incorrect, fictitious, imaginary, bull chit statement I have ever read on this site.
Man, the minute those colombianas see those kids stepping off that plane; their panties are coming right off.
Those kids are gonna see more ass than they will ever see in a thousand lifetime living in the USA.
COLOMBIANAS BY FAR ARE THE NUMBER ONE GRINGO LOVING WOMEN IN THE PLANET, NO OTHER COUNTRY COMES EVEN CLOSE.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Jan 25, 2007, 04:48:

I GOTTA GET A DRINK, I'M STILL IN SHOCK OVER UC'S SISTER IN LAW STATEMENT.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Jan 25, 2007, 04:53:

hey tom, i'll see you soon and get those traditional and virtuous colombianas ready for me. jijijiiji

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Jan 25, 2007, 05:14:

UC, if i may, i like to address your sister-in-law in my corroncho spanish, the one i know best. I'll wait for your response.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 25, 2007, 05:16:

OK let say young Colombianas are easy but that depends the sex and moral education you are giving to your kids too, I teach my son to respect women to look after himself ( have safe sex) and to value relationships, I don't want him to grow up with an stupid macho and low life aptitud, the same goes my daughter.

In my opinion I think a 17 y/o is old enough to have sex, but 15 I think is too young

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 25, 2007, 05:27:

What do you want to tell her, Elmo?

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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elmodefoque says on Jan 25, 2007, 05:36:

UC, dile a esa dama que NO hable tanta mierda!!
Y yo se mucho de mierda, esa es mi profesion.
nojodaaaa! dique colombianas no le sueltan el culo muy facil a los gringos? a eso yo le digo MONDA!!!!!VERGA Y TROLA!!!!
las colombianas, mas de clase mediana y riquitas son casi todas gringo crazed, pa no decir coyas. cunado ven un gringito se ponen culeca.
un momento que estoy muy cabrero, deja sampame un trago, regreso.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 25, 2007, 05:47:

I know GD, BUT at he same you have to teach your kids the danger of excessive alcohol, they can catch anything nasty is they start sleeping around like if not tomorrow.

Elmo I don't think that was a very nice what you just have said and I hope you are not generalising, sex does not have to be with what social class you are it have to be with Education, a rich girl can be wh** the same as apoor girl, is about family values no matter what social status you are in.

As a COLOMBIANA i feel offended for what you just have said! I am not like the type of women you date or hang around neither my nieces or near family so please do not generalised!

I think the only one talking shit here is you!

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calipro says on Jan 25, 2007, 05:52:

UC, Are you sure you know what you are doing ? You better hope they don't get laid.

Do you really want your kids spending half their life in Colombia or going back later to drag a colombiana back to the States to live with them?

Your kids still have a chance at living a normal gringo life. Don't ruin it for them by letting them date colombianas. hehehe !!

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elmodefoque says on Jan 25, 2007, 05:56:

UC, dile que soy colombiano y bien indio. las colombianas SI practican esa vaina dique tradtional y virtuous, pero solo conmigo.
a mi no me sueltan culo,entonces lo que ago es que pongo a mis amigos gringos que me cuadren con colombianas.
Morphus me va cuadra con pelas que el tiene en barranquilla, tom, con sus pelas de cartagen y toneloc pelas de barranquilla tambien. eso es el unico modo que puedo culiar en colombia, necesito la ayuda de gringos.
pagandole a coyas tambien culeo pero asta asi hay unas que todavia me rechazan.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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PaisaAmericano says on Jan 25, 2007, 05:59:

Play On!! Those kids are gonna fall in love not with the country but with the girls and their liberal views on sex and foreplay. Shit, here in Colombia its 3/1 3 woman to 1 man. When I was 15, 15years ago...when it wasnt all that safe as it is now, I went out with my cousins who were the same age and some a little older. We would go to the parks and hang out and drink and then take walks with the girls, they alway knew where to go and have some fun. We also went to the strip clubs and those older women tore us up. There are Teenage clubs here now and they are gonna be in heaven!!!! If those kids are here for the main reason of having an sex-capade, they got it!!!!

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elmodefoque says on Jan 25, 2007, 06:00:

Kat mi vida, we are talking MOST not all, certainly not you or people in your circle.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 25, 2007, 06:05:

Some people are only alive because it's against the law to kill them

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elmodefoque says on Jan 25, 2007, 06:12:

kat please, calipro is a nice guy, why would you wish him harm?

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Jan 25, 2007, 06:16:

Is all UC's fault he started this mess. I was fine and happy until i read his post.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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el flaco says on Jan 25, 2007, 06:18:

Can't wait for the trip report Talking to my Colombian teachers about their experiences and those of their friends, I gain the impression that Colombianas aren't easy.

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 25, 2007, 06:19:

And anyway, here the question was if it was ok to give them condoms, and i think NO , as i said this is encouraging them to have sex and see sex as having a cigarret, remember this are 15 to 17 y/o and still having sex for them is a big thing and emotion can run wild.

BTW Elmo yes i have seen Morphus, Tom Tom girls and just looking at the pictures I know what kind of girls are they, so I do understand why do you think Colombianas are like that, just seeing the "circle of women" you hang around with, I do wonder!

And not I was not refering to Calipro!

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elmodefoque says on Jan 25, 2007, 06:23:

then you meant DonGringo, but he seems real nice too, the kind of guy i like hanging out with.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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Lowell says on Jan 25, 2007, 07:27:

Sex and the single kid Sex, sex and more sex. That's all I wanted from my girlfriends. The rest was just chatter. Mayber for that attitude, I'll receive my "Pena". I'm going to go through hell when my daughter reaches dating age. I plan on teaching her the virtue of a good hand job. Wack that puppy off and keep it soft.

Now if I could only teach my wife to get a clue. She'd never had an orgasm before me. "Siempre povo de gallo". I taught her how relax and have multible orgasms. Now our sex is all one sided and I've lost interest. When will I ever meet a woman that has her head on straight (and keeps it on) with reguards to a healthy MUTUAL sexual relationship? Probably never. I'm not much for affairs. However, I'm weakening and may stray soon. It's not like the availabiltiy/oportunity isn't regularly thrown in front of my face. Often right in front of my wife. Even in my own Barrio! And she still goes on as clueless(intentionally) as ever. Absence only make the heart grow fonder for so long. DUH! Next step for me is to get cut. No more babies for me.

Alfred E. Newman. "What. Me Worry?"

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 25, 2007, 07:58:

Yep, DG el sabe que es El! si no que se esta haciendo el pendejo!

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 25, 2007, 08:40:

My kids were in Colombia when they were 15 and 16 My daughter (15 at the time) had all the local boys after her, dated a couple, hooked up with one but we (the mothers) watched them like hawks so that the young sweethearts didn't have too much privacy...haha. My son dated several girls, had no problem getting a date, but it wasn't any wild and out of control kind of experience either.

I believe that 15-17 is too young, especially in better neighbourhoods and with kids still going to school and partying and hanging out with their friends.

Kat's right about this, absolutely, the rest of you guys are just daydreaming.

Cheers,
Desi

Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example.
Mark Twain [Samuel Langhornne Clemens] (1835-1910)

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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honey says on Jan 25, 2007, 08:49:

ELMO "Man, the minute those colombianas see those kids stepping off that plane; their panties are coming right off.
Those kids are gonna see more ass than they will ever see in a thousand lifetime living in the USA."

I couldn't agree more Elmo. I remember when I went to Cali when I was sixteen. Before then I had never tasted aguardiente, stayed out until dawn, or been in a club. That summer I did all that and more. Why? Easy, because that's what all my cousins did and because I could get into clubs, I could buy liquor without "ID" and the innocent act that my cousins put on was worthy of an Oscar. These were the good girls from the side of the family with money. Kids grow up real fast in Colombia.

Life is what happens when you're busy making plans - John Lennon.

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elmodefoque says on Jan 25, 2007, 09:05:

Honey, thank you !!!
Honey, thank you !!!

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Jan 25, 2007, 09:08:

SOME PEOPLE, i dare not mention, turn a blind eye to reality and yes is mostly kids from nice neighborhoods. But what do i know, i only spent my life in both worlds, the haves and the mondaos

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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southern151 says on Jan 25, 2007, 09:16:

Had I gone at 17.... Wow!! If my understanding is right, I would have never survived! I woulda died of dehydration!! LOL

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MacGringo says on Jan 25, 2007, 09:31:

I have got to agree with Desi and Kat here, they are correct and as for all of you guys and your opinions of Colombianas.....shame on you!
hahaha

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 25, 2007, 09:32:

Well, at least I know where my kids and nephew hang around in Colombia and who with.
honey sorry about the question did you get a bit of the action too?

Another thing this depends on the parents too, i would not let my son or daughter to go to any nightclub with anybody, they are not allow to leave the area where my mum lives after 6pm,it is very dangerous for them to be hanging around nightclubs in Colombia as such young ages don't you think? how I know they are not going to escape and go to one?
they have to report home every hour, it means to come home and because my mum lives in a conjunto cerrado i gave specific orders that they are not allowed out of the area without my permision!

now I am not the only parent in Colombia acting like that many are like me, my nephew is 18 and still he has very strict rules.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 25, 2007, 10:40:

Most of the people I know that have teenagers at home have strict rules for them in Colombia; for both boys and girls but especially girls. Girls at the age of fifteen or sixteen are very flirtateous but most of them are not that sexually active. (I'm still talking about girls from good families, not the ones who lack parental guidance or perhaps parents too).

A bunch of gringuitos between 15 and 17? You've gotta be kidding, I don't know medellin or Barranquilla, but Caleñas ar least are not silly enough to fool around with a couple of pimple-faced teenagers when there are real men with real power and real money to be had. A bad investment of time and effort. Makes no difference where they are from.

Now if these kids want to fool around with girls from poor barrios, maybe, prepagos, hoochies, good-life girls, yes, plenty, but girls of their own age, from good families, sorry. No go.

Cheers,
Desi

Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example.
Mark Twain [Samuel Langhornne Clemens] (1835-1910)

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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Dan says on Jan 25, 2007, 10:42:

Listen to your wife, load them up for the "just in case" situation.

God Bless America!

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 25, 2007, 10:44:

TOTALLY Agree Desi
TOTALLY Agree Desi

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 25, 2007, 10:50:

If i give my son or daughter a condom that mean I am approving him or her to go and start sleeping around, which I DON'T.

And they are not allowed to go to any nightclub until they are 18 y punto!

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elmodefoque says on Jan 25, 2007, 10:59:

Totally disagree with Miss Desi
Just to prove my point as to which girls are quicker at dropping their pants, the rich or poor? let me ask you something.
Why do you think guys in poor neighborhoods have their first sexual experience with burras? Because poor young girls are not giving it up until they get married, while the rich ones already have 10 or more sex partners by the age of 14.
Do you think it was my preference to have sex with a beast instead of a nice shapely delicious young poor barranquillera? HELLL NOO!! I had no other choice; it was either that or continue chocking the chicken in front of my buddies to see who shot the furthest.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 25, 2007, 11:07:

Ahhh...I see the f**k-up fairy has visited again...jijij

have ever cross your mind that maybe the girls poor or rich though you were definetely UGLY and that they rather die virgins than to sleep with you?

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 25, 2007, 11:25:

so do I ;)
so do I ;)

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 25, 2007, 11:27:

we have spies on payroll (and we have more money than our kids)

Cheers,
Desi

Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example.
Mark Twain [Samuel Langhornne Clemens] (1835-1910)

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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manu1999 says on Jan 25, 2007, 11:33:

wow elmodefoque I don't know about you, but in my adolescent pre-sex days I refrained from my 'urges' of getting snatch from cows or dogs... My hand was fine by me. Had I lived in Colombia then, it would be no different. And Kat may have a hilarious point!

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elmodefoque says on Jan 25, 2007, 11:38:

If I had a choice between a young beautiful Lauthra or a Kat, do you think I’ll be doing what you see here? hell noo!!!

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 25, 2007, 11:38:

LOL DESI And I know my kids inside out I know when they are lying, angry, tired, hiding sometime. That is good parenting don't you think? and anyway guilt will consume them, they know my position about sleeping around, about drugs, if they love me as they said they do, they won't let me down if they appreciate the education i am giving them, they won't let me down, they know I trust them, they know we are good parents and they are good kids so they will behave as such!

another thing I would very irresponsible to leave my kids going to nightclubs when they are underage!and in COLOMBIA!!!WERE YOU ALL SAID IS DANGEROUS were are the parents of this kids! I know where my kids as soon as it start to get dark!

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 25, 2007, 11:41:

well she didn't get "knocked up" and she has recently given me a wonderful grandson. Both she and her husband are very happy. I didn't emply spies, her brother did a good job watching her. Besides, my kids have always had an excellent contact with me and I have always know what's going on with them. So there.

Cheers,
Desi

Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example.
Mark Twain [Samuel Langhornne Clemens] (1835-1910)

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 25, 2007, 11:45:

is because she came from a good family background Desi, that is why she didn't got knock out by any spy. difficult for some to understand!

BTW have you seen that burra's eyes, they are close is like she is regretting every minute.

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costajunkie says on Jan 25, 2007, 12:08:

"In her mind young Colombian women are traditional and virtuous..."

I will stifle the guffaws in order to not offend...

"Hockey-bum," 12 years-old and my oldest son (from my first marriage) went with me last year. He loves to travel and visit his baby (half-)sister, but other than this, his world IS ice hockey, and he becomes aggitated if he is away from the ice rink for a long period of time. To pass the time, he brought his skateboard and immediately went to the skate park near our apartment. I don't know what it was... the blonde hair-blue eyes (he is a good-looking kid), his talent on his skateboard, being a young American who could speak some Spanish... whatever... but after that first day he had mobs of girls AS OLD AS 16 (!!!) following him, calling him, coming to our apartment, etc. He was friendly at first and he is a confident young man, but after sometime he went into hiding. He had his first kiss even, but it seems this particular girl wanted more.

Even now when I return, the girls still come around and ask me if he is there and when he is coming back...

Pack the condoms...

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 25, 2007, 12:18:

To tell you the truth sex is the least of my worries when my kids are in Colombia, I would be more worried about them going to nightclubs as such young age, worried about my daughter being stalked by an old pervert man, worried about if they get into a fight and you know how in Colombia fights end, worried about someone spiking their drinks, wooried about they getting mugged on the street.

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cali373 says on Jan 25, 2007, 12:46:

Tinto has a point. While I actually have met virtuous colombian females, they will still have sex one day. Let's face it, The waiting till marriage norm is over everywhere in the world, except maybe gypsies and some hindus. I place much of the blame on the Catholic church for high pregnancy rates/single mother. I read an article in "el tiempo" or "el pais", that stated that among young colombians condoms are not used because they attribute them to lack of trust. I have to say that was disturbing to read.

Smile if you are a thinker!

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cali373 says on Jan 25, 2007, 12:58:

"I remember when I went to Cali when I was sixteen. Before then I had never tasted aguardiente, stayed out until dawn, or been in a club. That summer I did all that and more. Why? Easy, because that's what all my cousins did and because I could get into clubs, I could buy liquor without "ID"

Reminds me of being 16 in NYC. ExI remember when I went to Cali when I was sixteen. Before then I had never tasted aguardiente, stayed out until dawn, or been in a club. That summer I did all that and more. Why? Easy, because that's what all my cousins did and because I could get into clubs, I could buy liquor without "ID"

Reminds me of being 16 in NYC, except for the alcohol, but there were other influences available.

Smile if you are a thinker!

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cali373 says on Jan 25, 2007, 12:59:

It doe snot matter if somE teenagers are going to Singapore or some conservative arab country, ENCOURAGE THE USE OF CONDOMS ALWAYS AND ANYWHERE!!!

Smile if you are a thinker!

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tomtom33 says on Jan 25, 2007, 14:17:

Ah, Desi I like your point. I don't have any power or real money, but they think I do. Entonces.

Elmo, I am beseiged since returning to CTG. Help!

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lockheed says on Jan 25, 2007, 14:31:

Watch out for the MILF's I know one thing for sure, if they don't make it in their age group
the 25 and up Colombianas would send them back with Ice bags around their squirt guns, they would not think of sex for some time.

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chester says on Jan 25, 2007, 15:47:

$20 bucks says they get no free action. not with any colombiana teenagers.

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elmodefoque says on Jan 25, 2007, 16:27:

chester, chester , chester, for a gringo kid not to get free action among middle class young colombianas he must be camatose, brain dead and castrated.
i take that bet and double it and still give 100 to 1 odds.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Jan 25, 2007, 16:31:

"Elmo, I am beseiged since returning to CTG. Help! tomtom

hey tom, hold on just a little longer, i'll be there next week to give you a helping hand with all those young colombianas.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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costajunkie says on Jan 25, 2007, 17:12:

$20 bucks??? If my 12 year-old could get the kind of attention he received, and in an estrato 5-6 neighborhood no less (forget middle class), then I'll take some of that action too!

I wonder... Does there exist a corelation between "virtue" and the estrato in which one lives? If the attitude of my wife (an estrato 1-2 girl) towards these girls is any indication, then perhaps virtue lies in the lower estratos. She was more indignant and upset about the attention of these girls than I was, and she is his stepmom.

Anyway, my poor kid - those girls scared him to death!

When we were returning to the US, he turned to me and said, "Dad, the girls I met there aren't anything like the ones at my school." (He goes to a private Jewish school if that gives you an idea.)

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goin_south says on Jan 25, 2007, 17:36:

Wow! who needs to watch Novelas, when you got PBsH, to read?

Ciao! Gustav.

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Gomezman5 says on Jan 25, 2007, 17:41:

UC Your wife. Period. Where is the debate here?

Kat and Desi.....come on....try try you may, but you are both a bunch of dreamers if you think that all your teachings are going to mean much in this instance. Besides, they are not even applicable. These are young guys that are going there and they will get plenty of sex. What difference does it make what you teach your kids? These kids will see girls that will be more than willing to give it up to these kids. They are not going there to find the prim and proper type raised by the likes of Desi and Kat. For every girl like that, there are 10 that will be all too happy.....in fact excited to spread their legs for some gringos from the states.

"Not allowed" .....that's comical. Since when what a parent "allows" a kid to do, have anything at all to do with what they want to do if they are hell bent on doing it. That's reality.

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morphus says on Jan 25, 2007, 18:05:

Who is right? A respectable Colombian girl will make the boyfriend wait 3 months to year before they have sex. I think Utopiacowboy's boys will most likely be jacking off in Colombia unless he buys them hookers...lol

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Monpirri says on Jan 25, 2007, 18:07:

? My advice to true Colombians and friends of Colombia do not post any info regarding questions that horny foreigners are desperate to know. These types of questions are sometimes addressed as a third party inquiry.
I say let them find out for themselves. Let them go to Colombia and find what they are looking for.

Ojo colombianos, no se duerman!

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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tomtom33 says on Jan 25, 2007, 18:11:

Since my last post I had another visitor. I am going to have to stop answering the house phone now.

Where are Desi and Kat's girls to teach some restraint?

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honey says on Jan 25, 2007, 19:13:

KAT... No, I'm sorry to say, I didn't get any "real" action that summer (LOL), because my parents were with me the night I wanted to go to a club. The aguardiente, was a sip I had at a party with my parents (hated it!) and I was with two aunts the night we danced until dawn at a party. My parents were super strict and vigilant while I was growing up and my mom went into overdrive the second the plane touched down in Cali. My point was that in Cali there seemed to be so much more readily available, at least more than I had seen. (Even now when I go to Cali with my own 9-year-old I see the difference. Her younger cousins go to the store all the time by themselves and I still won't let my kid go to the corner Deli) Despite all that, I did have my first real boyfriend during that trip (only 2nd base). I was lucky though, he was a nice boy and we both fell hard, but I digress...

The drinking age is enforced in the states, and clubs check ID's at the door. My own experience was that my peers and I (back home in NYC)seemed to have a lot more rules and structure than the many, many friends my age that I met that summer all over Cali and in a little town called Dagua.

Cali373... I definitely agree with you with on the Catholic Church and pregnancy rates. I teach in a private Catholic School and we're not even allowed to discuss sexuality with the kids, even if they have questions, very sad.

Esanch..."You would be amazed to find out what kids do in order to bang...they are very creative" I couldn't agree more.
"Lo que se hace despues de la media noche se puede hacer antes, Y MUY BIEN HECHO!!!"

UC...the only way to settle this debate is to wait for the kids to come back and tell their story...I CAN'T WAIT!!!!

Life is what happens when you're busy making plans - John Lennon.

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Lisa Zee says on Jan 25, 2007, 21:26:

Not only they are going to get LD. the will get robbed, kidnapped, molested, drugged, they will come back with tattoos (more than they probably have). They will learn to be drug dealers, smoke pot, snort cocaine, basuca, and they will become pimps, and maybe have to bring all the `hos' pregnant, and have the Babies here in N.A. so they can have better lives. You better keep them safe in Gringolandia, Colombia is very dangerous, and we don`t have big malls and extra large everything!. Take them to Walmart for dinner on the weekends and rent movies at Blockbusters, and let them keep scoring with the same `sweet angels'. They will have a very safe and exiting summer!

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Simon says on Jan 25, 2007, 21:32:

Has there ever been a thread more demeaning to colombian women than this one?

And this forum has seen some real whoppers in that department, it's bascially what it is about.
I think anyone who posted such dreck about colombian women and has a special colombian woman in their life, whether it's their mother, wife, or girlfiend, should be ashamed.

HERE'S SIMON!!!!

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 25, 2007, 22:00:

I do make up a lot of nonsense on this site but I actually have two sons and my wife has two sons almost the exact same ages as my sons. They are all very good friends and comrades and I am sure they'll have a wonderful time in Colombia this summer. They'll be staying at my wife's apartment in Medellin with her sister's family - the same family which just visited us. They will also spend some time in Monteria with my wife's mother. Personally I thought the thread was interesting and I'll certainly pass along Elmo's hilarious comments.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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Lisa Zee says on Jan 25, 2007, 22:06:

Hey Simon I was just giving back the same medicine to Mr. cowboy! I guess you do not know me. I am like Yuban coffee, 100% Colombian, I was just being sarcastic! (and I got carried away, Sorry)

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utopiacowboy says on Jan 25, 2007, 22:10:

Sarcastic? You aren't part Canadian by any chance, are you?

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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costajunkie says on Jan 25, 2007, 22:20:

Best intentions versus reality... I can't help but chime in on this debate, with all respect to Kat and Desi...

You can teach, teach, teach... and then teach some more; however, kids will do what kids do. It matters little the background during these years; at this time - nature vs. nurture vs. raging hormones vs. life situations - the one thing you can count on is that they will do something to disappoint you at one time or another, making the choice less-wise. When life "happens," kids flow with it and react in the moment. Perhaps they will rise to the occasion and behave as you had hoped; other times, well... they will just f**k it up, contrary to anything you ever expected, disappointing you. Live and learn - it's part of growing up and (hopefully) becoming a mature and responsible adult. If you're not quite sure what I'm saying, then think back to when you were this age. My parents talked to me, and I would not have believed it strange if my father did the same for me (he actually did do this on several occasions).

Handing out condoms because you believe that you would be encouraging them - this act alone I would agree with you, that for the most part I believe it would be sending the wrong signal. However, talking to your kid, discussing life issues, and THEN breaking out the condoms should the situation arise (no pun intended) - this is simply being a responsible parent. It isn't strange and you aren't encouraging them IF you have been playing the role of a responsible parent all along, communicating with them, letting your kids know that there is nothing that they can't talk to you about.

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Desideria (Moderator) says on Jan 25, 2007, 22:45:

And yet It's Kat and I who have any real experience of youngsters vacationing in Colombia at that age, albeit supervised by their parents AND relatives, Kat more than me because she vacations in Colombia every year with her kids. Other people posting here are just relating isolated experiences, this one trip or one summer.

I'm not saying my kids have been perfect little angels but I'm well aware of how they spent their time in Cali during those two months when my daughter turned 15. Her cousin who had the same age had a boyfriend who was 23...and lied to her parents all the time when she visited him. Her parents asked me what I thought about the age difference and I told them that I would NEVER allow my fifteen-tear -old date a guy that much older, not at that point in her life anyway. Anyway, they spent those two months hanging out with their cousins and childhood friends, partying, going to the movies, paseos, always in groups, had a great time and loved it, except that they missed the freedom of being able to walk outside by themselves after nightfall, because they were always picked up by parents or sent in taxis. I believe they didn't put a foot in a bus or buseta.

Drinking age is not enforced in Colombia because it's socially acceptable for children ( from 6 and up) to have a little aguardiente or wine at parties, be part of the group and stay up late. There just as much parental control on youngsters in Colombia than anywhere else, sometimes more, because there are more eyes on them (grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins etc) and the kids become rather creative to find spaces to escape that control. The cel phones are wonderful to keep track of your kids, but they have to be on too!

I believe these four boys will have a good time in Colombia, but not maybe as wild as they are hoping for.

Cheers,
Desi

(and NO RUBITO, I don't have my head buried in the sand. I KNOW my kids and you DON'T.)

(and yes, we parents can be a little creative too...my daughter had hooked up with a boy of her own age and they were so much in love that we got a little scared...so we had a little talk with the boy's parents and they decided that the time was perfect to have that circumcision they had been postponing this far done on the boy...my daughter got to sit next to his bed and hold his hand rest of thtime in Cali.)



Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example.
Mark Twain [Samuel Langhornne Clemens] (1835-1910)

"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."-President George W. Bush

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 26, 2007, 00:42:

I Totally agree Desi and those comments made laugh, look who's taking people that don't even have teenage kids or kids at all, people that lives part time with their kids!!!! as you said kids are no angel but hell i do know alot about mine! I know they got BF/and GF but i know those kids who they hang around with and their respective family.

why did you think I asked HONEY the question about if she got some action? look at her answear, so no anybody that goes to Colombia have some action when is parenting involve, look at one her answear "My parents were super strict and vigilant while I was growing up and my mom went into overdrive the second the plane touched down in Cali. so do i dear!!!

Rubito my son is 16 and so far the only time he is been away alone is with the school and in Belgium, he was 14 at the time. I don't want him to tell me everything but I do know him and I know he values and respect my opinions, actions speak more than words!!

What make me laugh is that they don't KNOW my kids and me properly! and they judging them by their own actions AS A TEENAGERS! or teenage experience, not all are the same and not all parenting are the same.


I still think that giving them condom is encouraging them, if they're going to have sex and they think they are old enough to have it, then they are old enough to have responsabilities and buy their own condoms! why mommie have to provide them!!


AND G5 WROTE

They are not going there to find the prim and proper type raised by the likes of Desi and Kat. For every girl like that, there are 10 that will be all too happy.....in fact excited to spread their legs for some gringos from the states"". The thing G5 is that some girls are happy to spreed their legs to a boy they fancy here or in Colombia. why concentrated in Colombia?, and 16 y/o girls and boys are practically living alone going on holiday with their mates everywhere in Europe and Asia, a boy or a girl at 16, here can live alone if he or she wish and the government will help him, so if he wants to have wild sex why does he want to wait until Colombia. One thing for sure is because they are 16,17 and they know they can get it when they want it so is not in their mind 24/7! no like a bunch of old fart that needs to go to Colombia to pray in the desperate because in their respective countries they pass their sell by date and very tricky to get any action

And please if you don't have kids at all, please spare the comment they are laughable.

ANOTHER THING YOU ALL LOST THE SENSE OF THE ARGUMENT, HE WAS ASKING IF IT WAS OK FOR THEM TO GIVE THE KIDS CONDOMS, NOT ASKING IF THEY CAN HAVE SEX!

IN WHICH MY PERSONAL ANSWEAR AND OPINION WAS NO, AS I SAID IF THEY THINK THEY ARE OLD ENOUGH OR MATURE TO HAVE SEX! THEN THEY ARE RESPONSABLE AND MATURE ENOUGH TO BUY THEIR OWN SUPPLIEDAND LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES. I TAUGH THEM THE DANGER OF UNSAFE SEX! SO IS UP TO THEM NOW AND HOW I FEEL IF THEY START SLEPPING AROUND WITH NO SELF RESPECT.ANOTHER THING IF YOU GIVE THEM CONDOMS AND SUDDENLY ONE CONDOM IS FAULTY AND THE GIRL BECOME PREGNANT, THEN IS YOUR FAULT, AHHHH AND TEENAGERS THEY LIKE TO BLAME EVERYBODY BUT THEMSELVE IT NEVER IS THEIR FAULT, SO IS UP TO YOU TO PICK UP THE RESPONSABILITY BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THEM YOU ENCOURAGED THEM AND YOU GAVE THEM A FAULTY CONDOM.

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kalder says on Jan 26, 2007, 04:31:

Ahem Mea culpa for breaking gender ranks and siding so determindly with the ladies, but really gentlemen...

Colombia has many, many 'good' girls. Everything in my experience of the place bears this out. It's a country of many millions: it's going to have all sorts.

This notion that all Colombia needs is one bloody big roof to make it the world's largest whorehouse is as cruel as it is unfair.

"kalder- have you ever had a woman?"--Sam Salmon

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 26, 2007, 05:11:

He was not short of
He was not short of admirers but I always kept an eyes on him and my daughter, i know these girls and their families they were part of their big group and they hang around day at night together but they never left the area to go to any nightclubs they did their own discos in the kiosk, one of them is a dj and they really enjoyed being in one big group all from the same area and no strangers, and i glad they are people their own age. the oldest is 18

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elmodefoque says on Jan 26, 2007, 05:27:

I still stand my statement.
Colombia is number one in freaking birds. Colombia is number in cocaine production. But, most important for gringos, Colombia is number one in gringo friendly women.
I live in the most diverse city on earth, by far! I’ve met and patronized with all kinds of modefoques, I could tell where people came from simply by the smell of there chit. I’ve been to a few countries and the only one where a plain, unassuming gringo turns into a Bratt “fokin� Pitt is in Colombia
I was in Barranquilla fraternizing with the rich folks. There, I saw this skinny freckled face Howdy Doody looking gringo who would not get the time of day from any girl here in NYC but there he was like a fokin stud. You shoudda seen all those fine barranquilleras after his goofy ass. Later that day I saw this fat disgusting short pale guy from England with one of the finest barranquillera around. Girls would laugh if they saw his fat goofy ass walking down the street of NYC but in Colombia he was James “fokin� Bond

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 26, 2007, 05:34:

you just are a bitter old man Elmo, just because even the donkey was reluctan to give it to you. GET OVER IT! make lots of money and keep paying low class Colombian women!.they need the money you know to keep happy their real Colombian boyfriends!

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elmodefoque says on Jan 26, 2007, 05:42:

Kat mi vida, you take that back!!!! my burrita (maria elena jaramillo) loved me and got very jelous when i stared at other burritas.

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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elmodefoque says on Jan 26, 2007, 05:48:

Kat mi reina, funny you should say that, I’ve actually double my hooker budget for this vacation, I hope they enjoy it with their boyfriends, but I hope the guys don’t mind que le deje jopo roto a la pela. jijijjjjiij

any colombianita willing to date me, IS UP TO NO GOOD

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kat1 (Moderator) says on Jan 26, 2007, 05:57:

I'll be surprise if you still can lift that old sausage ha!

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