* Americans Vs. Gringos in Poorbuthappy

aztec says on Feb 11, 2007, 08:44:

monpirri1, are you joking with this statement? "There are gringos who lived all their lives in the South West, the West and the Mid West they have little or zero contact from people from other Latin American countries."

All you have to do is get out in the street and you will be run over by someone from one of the South American countries.

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panthdave says on Feb 11, 2007, 08:48:

Here we go with the Gringo Definition Again.. panthdave Miami

panthdave Miami

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Monpirri says on Feb 11, 2007, 08:56:

Aztec No, I am not joking. I'm not saying that they are none because that would be considered a joke.
Just compare the regions mentioned vs. Latin Americans in Florida or New York vs. the regions I have mentioned.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Monpirri says on Feb 11, 2007, 09:28:

Try to find colombian restaurant in those places, with the exception of Houston.
Try to find large Colombian, Brazilian, Peruvian, Argentina communities in those places. Here, the open one Brazilian, one Peruvian, two Colombians and three Spaniard restaurants and they all went out of business.
Anywary, my point, many of the gringos who post here live in a gringo world.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Monpirri says on Feb 11, 2007, 09:32:

DonGringo I have always stayed away from topics or threads about 'gringos' or Americans as I know them because many of them are my friends here and in the military.

The first time I directly confronted a gringo was when you began the rhetoric about drugs in Colombia. In that thread I posted the history of drugs in the world. Do you remember that? I said in that thread I was going to post the two types of gringos

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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podborski says on Feb 11, 2007, 09:37:

so your point is 'many of the gringos who post here live in a gringo world'.

So?

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bhill says on Feb 11, 2007, 11:08:

Nothing surprising Certainly many in the US are not so well informed about other cultures., or even the full details of their own. But there is nothing unusual about this. Most of the world is ignorant about the rest of the world, one of the few universal truths...

-Brian

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goin_south says on Feb 11, 2007, 11:25:

The world is a ghetto; I am a gringo.
But, not a ghettogringo.
But, that is another catchy handle.

Paz y prosperidad para Colombia.

Where do we go from here?

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adrimm says on Feb 11, 2007, 14:23:

a few thoughts Bhill, I agree.. but I think that monpirri's point (or at least what I am taking from it), is that very often those with the least past exposure or experience to diversity (aside from the newsmedia and Hollywood) are those who have the strongest expectations, or worse think they already know "how it is". Those with some exposure to or more education about diversity are often less tied to expectations, and more often better prepared to deal *gracefully* with newly-introduced differences, becuase they've already been through it enough times.

Yes the polarity is found the world over.

So why does this polarity in folks from the US causes chagrin when it is common the world over? It is unexpected. The US, a nation considered completely developed, (usually goes hand in hand with good education, etc) isn't held to the same standard as everywhere else in the world - it is held to the same standard as the most developed nations in the world.

There is the expectation that there will be some consistent awareness of the rest of the world (awareness international diversity, geography & culture) across the most-developed nations, becuase some of them clearly foster it successfully among large proportions of their populations. This expection applies to the US.

For someone outside of the US looking in at the US as a) on-par with the most developed countries and b) and as nation of immigrant forefathers, it is a logical step to presume that most of its citizens would have a grasp of international diversity.

Unfortunately it is not the reality.. and by sheer population attention is cast upon the US, even if the same reality is also found among other well-developed nations (to varying degrees).

What is the fix?
- Give everyone in Highschool a passport and a ticket to 2 homestays in different cultures.

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Man Tequila says on Feb 11, 2007, 15:09:

Education, travelling to other countries, learning another language, living in a metropolitan area with people from diverse backgrounds, having an interest in other people -- these are some of the features that might reflect a wordly person.

But the biggest thing is to keep an open mind and be willing to entertain other viewpoints. The world is not a black and white place. Many soldiers or university educated folks are not open minded. Many people who live in a city with a Colombian restaurant know or care nothing about Colombia. This post is an oversimplification. There are not two types of Americans, or gringos, or people. People who are worldly, or not, may have all or none of the above qualities.

Aunque no me creas/ si me lo propongo/ lograre olvidarte/ porque a fin de cuentas/ no soy tan cobarde./ Y termino todo una de estas tardes/ no sera dificil buscar algún sitio donde refugiarme/ donde nunca mas vuelvas a encontrarme. (Polo Montañez)

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goin_south says on Feb 11, 2007, 15:28:

this is funny.... might be a good sight for some; I just came across the page, but haven't read anything of it, yet:
GRINGOTALK.
http://www.gringos.com/
lol; this should give some a break.

Paz y prosperidad para Colombia.

Where do we go from here?

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Monpirri says on Feb 11, 2007, 15:34:

There are two types of Americans, the ones who are knowledable about other cultures, and the ones who do no care to learn before traveling abroad.
The ones who travel a bit VS. the ones who all of sudden they want to go ColUmbia because they got a spam message in the mailbox.
There are two types of Americans, the ones who travel and interact with other cultures as the ones who can afford to travel and serviceman stationed in Europe VS.. the ones who are very regional about their state and never exit their box.

From my own experience almost every gringo in Texas think I am from south of the border because I speak Spanish. They do not know much about Colombia just like the ‘gringos’ who post here.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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jay1234 says on Feb 11, 2007, 15:48:

too funny.... You know I am bored, I looked at gringotalk. $19.95 for a membership? No way. But they did have hilarious Terms of Service:

"Misfits need not apply. If you are a misfit and have serious emotional or psychological disorders, please do NOT join this bulletin board. If you do not respect the Latin culture, if you are not courteous to Latin Americans and if you do not show interest in learning Spanish or Portuguese, do NOT join this bulletin board. If you ignore this request and post neurotic messages, you will be banned and your ISP contacted for abuse of their services...
No Post-Whoring. (Post-Whoring is defined as anyone who creates too many posts of little or no content which fail to contribute to the topic at hand, or who creates multiple threads in rapid succession may not engage in such behavior to intentionally drive up their post count). If you engage in post whoredom, your account will be terminated effective immediately.
Thank God PBH doesn't regulate Post-Whoring.

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podborski says on Feb 11, 2007, 15:49:

there are two types of colombians ones who are knowledgeable about other cultures and ones who do not care to learn before traveling abroad.

The ones who travel a bit VS the ones who want all of a sudden want to go to wes palm beesh because they heard the streets are paved with gold.

there are two types of colombians, the ones who travel and interact with other cultures VS the ones who never bother to learn a word of english after living in nueva york for 5 years.

From my own experience almost every colombian in bogota thinks I am german because I have very blonde hair. They do not know much about germany because I speak english, not german.

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jay1234 says on Feb 11, 2007, 16:00:

pod LMAO.

monpirri- I get your point, there are people who are cultured and those who are not. Not sure classifying the entire world into two types helps much as within each type there is a ton of variation. But if it helps you to think about it this way, then by all means. What confuses me is why you would say that most gringos who post here don't know much about Colombia. If that is true, so what? Just post what you believe to be the truth. That is one of the purposes of this board, to discuss and educate. But saying that seems to me like someone trying to lay claim to the "most knowledgeable about Colombia" title. That topic has been covered many times here. Not once did any of that add anything to the discussion. IMHO.

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Monpirri says on Feb 11, 2007, 16:11:

On the other hand If I work inside of a military installation and some one ask me my name or last name either an officers or civilian who works for the government and had traveled just like the military counterparts had, they would think twice to assume my origin.
They have the tendency to ask where are you from? It’s a very popular question in a multicultural force.
And after one says where are they from, they give you a positive comment about your origin because more likely they have already been there.
When I answer, I am from Colombia, they immediately reply I knew you were not from here, and they begin to share their positive experience about when they used work for the embassy in Colombia and so on. That’s how met an IT project director in Fort Hood. He asked where are you from I told I was from Colombia and them he said guess where my wife is from? She is from Colombia. He travels all over world doing IT projects.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Monpirri says on Feb 11, 2007, 16:18:

Americans Vs. Gringos in Poorbuthappy I am not saying every one here is a gringo or thinks as a gringo. There are some who think as my good american friends in the states.
I am saying American Vs. Gringo world. You can tell one who is who when they post their question and comments about Colombia.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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jay1234 says on Feb 11, 2007, 16:34:

Now I am confused Are you saying that you call the un-cultured types gringos, and the rest are just Americans? Everyone I know in Colombia calls all of us norteamericanos gringos. I know some here in EEUU view it as a slight slur, but from my experiences in South and Central America (well, also in San Antonio) I never viewed it as such.

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Monpirri says on Feb 11, 2007, 16:43:

Jay1234 It's just my opinion. I see two groups. The ones who know about Colombia or any other countries and the ones who do not know. I called the ones do not know gringos and the ones who know Americans.

Here read this again why are they different.

In case you do not know, there are two types of gringos or Americans.
There are Americans as the ones I have know and who are my current friends; they are professional, some of them own their own business, some of them are just regular well informed persons, some are well traveled and very educated in other cultures.

Many had and have the opportunity to travel around the world. They have the means to enjoy and learn about other foreign cultures. Senior military Americans and even freshman recruiters have also the opportunity to travel and get know other cultures. In fact, they are required to learn about the place where they are going to be stationed. Recruits in the military get a basic course about the language and customs of a foreign country.

Also Americans who live in cities or states in the United States where there is a large population of mix cultures are also part of what I am trying to categories as Americans as I have known them.

On the other hand, there is the other type of Americans or gringos as are known here on this site and around the world. They have little to no knowledge about other countries. Many of them come from cities or states where there are not too many Latinos in their community or city, or they either come from where there is one major dominant ethnic group. There are gringos who lived all their lives in the South West, the West and the Mid West they have little or zero contact from people from other Latin American countries.
For instance, an American citizen born and raised in New York or in Florida vs. one born and raised in Oklahoma or in Texas
They lived all their lives in one place, in their own native states. They never traveled outside their city, state or even outside the United States. They have a very basic education, neither they have the financial resources to travel and learn as the Americans.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Monpirri says on Feb 11, 2007, 16:50:

You probably are an American as the ones who have good understanding of other cultures and including your own culture.
I was just trying to point out that there is two types of Americans in the states.
Remember, I said every race has the good, the bad and the ugly.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Monpirri says on Feb 11, 2007, 17:07:

Your links do not mean anything. You have to actually, physically travel to the restaurants you have posted and them let us know about them.
I thank you for sharing the information because I am pretty sure there are some good restaurants there.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Gomezman5 says on Feb 11, 2007, 17:19:

Monpirri...I have to say Your posts never deprive me of its share of humor. All I can say is that last I checked, Chicago was the largest city in the Mid West, (third largest city in the US) and if you walk out of your abode up here, in just about any areas of the city, and you don't run into someone of Latin American/Hispanic heritage, you are either blind, deaf, dumb, or all threee. Monpirri, I know you cannot possibly believe some of the stuff you write. Come on Monpirri.....come on son.....fess up.

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Monpirri says on Feb 11, 2007, 17:29:

Yep dude That is why many Colombian bands end up in Florida or New York.
You said it one time when Colombian musicians go overthere nobody shows up.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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goin_south says on Feb 11, 2007, 23:32:

Rubito, I'm guessing about 224 (not kilograms!) (and, I use to work in the circus)

Paz y prosperidad para Colombia.

Where do we go from here?

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southern151 says on Feb 12, 2007, 04:42:

Blanket assumption! I hate to burst anyone's bubble but, I was born and raised in Oklahoma. Yep, my education was simple. I graduated high school and that is it. Didn't see college working for me(I'm glad for that because I make more money than most of my college educated friends). I don't see where geography has anything to do with anything. I was raised around blacks and mexicans. Hell, we even had 3 foreign exchange students from Sao Paulo for a year. Yeah, S. Americans opted to live in "redneck" Oklahoma(for a year and then hauled ass! LOL)!

What I am getting at is that there is no socio or geographic limitations on who is who. I have traveled the US over and waded into both oceans. I have seen numerous parts of the Carribean. Ahhh, yes, I have been to Colombia and absolutely loved it! I can't wait to go back.

Just think...All of this from some uneducated, culturally sheltered Oklahoma...GRINGO! LOL All that we want is our barefoot and pregnant, redneck wives.

Also, as a musician and enthusiast of live music; Latin music is not real popular here but American music is not the most popular thing that I saw while I was there. There were a couple of places but it wasn't anything live and it was turned down real low. I think that it was playing in a fast food "American" restaraunt.

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Monpirri says on Feb 12, 2007, 06:27:

It's just my opinion Southern151, I guess you do not qualify as a gringo because you know other cultures, yours and including Colombia. Good for you!

DonGringo,
Here are good example of a gringo:

They learn about Colombia or other countries from the www because a good friend sent them a link, and for that point on they hang out on sites about Colombia or other countries. They do not know the language, they do not know the culture, they do no know their cuisine from the place they plan to visit and they did not take any course about a foreign customs.
They step out their home place because a chance of fortunate or because they get hired by an international company, or because they got a Spam email, or a message from a friend about where to find a woman in C O L U M B I A. So they travel carrying their great expertise with them and some do not return back, some just post back about their terrible experience with women, the food, the language, the climate, the dog, the cell phone and you all know the rest of the story.

They visit a restaurant in Colombia or in Brazil and they order food and they expect to get the same type of meals as the ones they have been eating most of their lives back in their states.
For example, an American, or a member of the armed forces who travel on duty or off duty visits Greece. He orders lunch and he wants more pita bread so he orders more and calls it by the name it’s called in Greece. On the other hand, you have a gringo as the ones who post here on a frequent basis, he goes to Colombia, in a restaurant he wants to try Colombian food because he knows all about it from Colombian sites, so he liked the arepa and so he goes ahead and orders with all this gringo confidence another tortilla porvor!

Who are you? an American as the ones I know or a gringo?

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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cali373 says on Feb 12, 2007, 06:51:

"I hate to burst anyone's bubble but, I was born and raised in Oklahoma". Monp's statement was a generalization and Southern151 you are definately an exception, not the rule. I wish more Americans had your kind of experience.

Let's face it. We are a nation of immigrants. 99% of our parents or ancestors came from another country. There are not many of us that can trace our roots back to the US Colonial Americans. Can stop the tide now, sorry.

Smile if you are a thinker!

Smile if you are a thinker!

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JMCana says on Feb 12, 2007, 07:10:

Archie Bunkers I believe I have an idea of Mono’s thought process. I have been fortunate to travel, but without the aid of the military (a completely different type of person even with their travels). The idea is that much of the USA is ignorant of the rest of the world and do not even know it. I would prefer to call these people, “Archie Bunkers” rather than gringos.

Yes there are many Hispanics in Southern California and Texas, where I learned to love and enjoy much of what the Latin culture has to offer. Of course in other parts of the country I did the same for the Asian culture. (One has to love the diversity offered in the USA). And this gave me much insight and an ability to enjoy countries in those areas when traveling there. For many reasons people do not have the ability to or seek out this knowledge of other cultures. This could be due to financial considerations, family rhetoric, or even just fear. Yesterday, I was describing to Colombian friends and relatives the mannerisms of and the looks and comments received when my Colombian wife and I traveled through back roads Nebraska. My wife would receive stares. There were comments them trying to figure out what part of Asia or Europe she was from. When they heard we were from Colombia the crazy comments flowed forth and they were amazed I had not been kidnapped. The friends and relatives (all Colombian University Graduates, who have never traveled outside of Colombia) found the comments difficult to believe. But then came to light their reference of the USA. They had never seen such things on American TV or Movies. And I can’t tell you how many times a Colombian has told me how America is based upon what is in the movies. So it happens in all countries.

One thing I ran into was 3 years ago when I told my sister, who lives in the Midwest, to make sure that my niece takes Spanish lessons in high school. I was told she could not because the school could only find teachers for French and German. Fortunately the University offered Spanish. The next phone call I got involved a “how could it be” type call. My niece in doing her homework pronounced the name of Jorge correctly. The adults wanted to know from me if that was correct. After all it was spelled J O R G E.

The problem is not that Archie Bunkers do not have the knowledge. There are people out there who have not had the opportunity to learn but they still try and respect other cultures. The problem with the Archie Bunkers is their ego has closed their mind.

I will never condemn the person who asks me the correct way to pronounce Jorge or wants to try Colombian food or American food. I don’t like the person who has never visited Colombia or the United States and tells me what they are like from what they have seen on TV and the movies.

So, do you have a name for a Colombian Archie Bunker?

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cali373 says on Feb 12, 2007, 07:16:

"So, do you have a name for a Colombian Archie Bunker?"

Juan Valdez

Smile if you are a thinker!

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southern151 says on Feb 12, 2007, 07:23:

Not trying to argue but... When I went to Colombia, I really had no idea what I was getting into. I had done a lot of reading on this wonderful internet and chatted with as many people as I could though. I knew that there were dangers, especially since I don't speak the language(not yet, anyway) and had to watch what I did. I didn't understand the local cuisine either. To me, that's half the fun! Knowing ALL about a place would be like a kid knowing exactly what Santa was going to bring him for Christmas. The element of surprise and culture shock is the most enjoyable part of the "whole experience." Now, I did not walk into the situation completely blind. I made sure that I had people that knew what I needed to know around me at all times. Thanks PaisaAmericana!

If all I mentioned above makes me a "Gringo" or...American...Which one is which again?...Then so be it! LOL I had a friggin great time there! Again, I am excited to return and plan to spend about a month there the next time that I go. Yeah, the women are great to look at and touch but, that isn't a real reason to go. There's your damn Gringo! There is so much more there to see and do.

For me, even though I don't speak the language and know only a VERY small amount about the culture, it was a great place to be! Anyone is free to label me and, those like me with whatever they want. People with any self respect and intellegence(not limited to the college educated) pay little mind to what we are labeled with. It's that simple.

If we really want to start with titles, naybe we should try this: People interested in learning the Colombian/Latin culture or 110 year old perverts looking for a 15 year old hooker. The latter may also fall into your category of "Gringo." LOL

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PaisaAmericano says on Feb 12, 2007, 07:24:

What the F*****!!! This thread is the lamest Ive read. Listen, MON I live here in Colombia and come from both cultures. I am from Jackson Heights, pretty much little Colombia in Queens. I was raised in Phoenix and although there were not many Colombians....the Colombians that were there, organized a group called "La Casa De La Cultura Colombiana" in order to contain the Colombian culture in their families, and bring it to the communities. L.A has the same thing as well as with the Portugues community. I have met Southern151 and he came to Medellin with some knowledge and with a thirst to learn more and experience this culture. He did not speak any Spanish and everyone called him "The Gringo", he tried all the foods and heard the music and enjoyed it all. He will be back. Now, so what if Gringos learn about Colombia in a WWW...? I have met many here who have learned through the www´s and met women and come here and if it doesnt work out???? they still learn the culture and love it because this place has alot more to offer, and they quickly learn that when they get here.

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JMCana says on Feb 12, 2007, 07:32:

Not the target Southern and Paisa - I do not believe that Mono had you guys as targets. You both, and many others here, have shown an open mind and a respect for others.

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southern151 says on Feb 12, 2007, 07:35:

BTW... That was supposed to be PaisaAmericanO! Sorry 'bout that man! JAJA! More of my ignorance! LOL! Enjoy this thread guys. I think this will likely be my last post on this matter. I will keep reading though. This shit is too funny!

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Monpirri says on Feb 12, 2007, 08:42:

OK I settle for Colombian Archie Bunker.

Who are you? Colombian Archie Bunker AKA Gringo or an American.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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famsearch says on Feb 12, 2007, 10:27:

hey mon... after reading your post, i realized that i don't fit into any of your preconceived notions of gringos, and americans in particular. as far as i'm concerned, after reading your post, i'd wasted a good 30 seconds reading the attempt to pigeonhole everyone.
dan

dan

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podborski says on Feb 12, 2007, 13:16:

but if I learned to speak perfect spanish the girls might not know I'm a gringo, then where'd I be?

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podborski says on Feb 12, 2007, 13:19:

I was in a restaurant in Tuscany and I said to the waiter, 'well, since I am in Italy, I should have an italian wine shouldn't I?'

His reply, very terse, 'you are not in Italy you are in 'toscana'.

Man, some people take things way too seriously.

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utopiacowboy says on Feb 12, 2007, 17:15:

"This thread is the lamest I've read." Now that's saying something.

Disclaimer: any comment I make is inane and is not to be taken seriously, and is so patently ridiculous that no one should take it seriously, even as an insult.

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morphus says on Feb 12, 2007, 17:40:

Well, I am an American citizen and I live in New York City which happens to be the largest "melting pot" in the history of the world. New York is the brain of the whole country. The United States is actually two different countries encircled within each other. You can find more sophisticated people in the coastal cities around the country. Within the heartland you find mostly god fearing, overly religous types of people that voted for Bush. The U.S. military finds most of its recuits in the heartland. They are the easiest to brainwash. I don't think they change much when they go to other countries.

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goin_south says on Feb 12, 2007, 18:09:

who told you all that crap, morphus? you originate from the inland?

Paz y prosperidad para Colombia.

Where do we go from here?

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aztec says on Feb 12, 2007, 18:30:

God, What nonsense! "New York is the brain of the whole country. The United States is actually two different countries encircled within each other. You can find more sophisticated people in the coastal cities around the country. Within the heartland you find mostly god fearing, overly religous types of people that voted for Bush."

Is there any wonder why the rest of the country can't stand you people!

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morphus says on Feb 12, 2007, 18:32:

Inland? I am from New York. My grandparents are from Europe.

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mvefwd says on Feb 12, 2007, 18:33:

PBH Ignorance breeds ignorance.

No matter where you go... You are who you are...

Viva Colombia
---E

No matter where you go... You are who you are...

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Monpirri says on Feb 12, 2007, 18:55:

Morphus No, sir! You have it all wrong. Houston is the largest melting pot in the history of the world. New York is on the other side of the map.
I'm going to see if I can find the damn map to prove it.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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goin_south says on Feb 12, 2007, 22:18:

Monpirri..... a thought I use to have was this, upon arriving in New York City the first time: If it is happening in the world, whatever it is, it is probably happening right here in New York City, right now.

You can't say that about Houston. (All you can say about Houston is this: If it is happening in Mexico, it MIGHT be happening here.)

Paz y prosperidad para Colombia.

Where do we go from here?

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goin_south says on Feb 12, 2007, 22:27:

That...is a crock of 'morphus mierda'. ((((You can find more sophisticated people in the coastal cities around the country. Within the heartland you find mostly god fearing, overly religous types of people that voted for Bush. The U.S. military finds most of its recuits in the heartland. They are the easiest to brainwash.))))

You are so over-generalizing, we're going to give you a PBH Gold Star, for finally fulfilling the calling.

I understand what you're saying. On the otherhand, I have lived on all four corners and just about everywhere in between... on the USA map. It would be interesting to see where most of the recruits come from, state for state. But, I think you are rambling on with that. I don't think you have left New York enough, really to know. That was the reason for my first short post, asking if in fact, perhaps you were 'from the heartland', since what you said was such a crock, and you are belittling the minds of the people that are from there.

Gomezman5,....where are you?

Paz y prosperidad para Colombia.

Where do we go from here?

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Monpirri says on Feb 12, 2007, 22:29:

Feliznavidad That's funny stuff. You are hilarious!

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Monpirri says on Feb 12, 2007, 22:36:

Felizanavidad What the heck are you talking about? Are you taking to meee? I trying to impersonate Robert de Niro.. Are You taking to meee?
Morphus has the constitutional right to say that Houston is the brain of the USA or the other way around.

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Monpirri says on Feb 13, 2007, 05:22:

Here's the map!

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Monpirri says on Feb 13, 2007, 05:32:

Here's the map!

Annette Taddeo for US Congress 2008

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Aaron21 says on Aug 5, 2007, 22:42:

Test... sorry had to do it... for the sake of the board... : )

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goin_south says on Aug 5, 2007, 22:51:

Aaron, please explain.
No comprendo.

Has a PBsH Civil War broken out while I was gone ;)

Where do we go from here?

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Aaron21 says on Aug 5, 2007, 22:52:

Ah, yes, the asterisk means this thread was killed at one time, I believe - could be wrong... anyway, if that is true, I am just pointing out the new software allows us to post on these dead threads again...

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goin_south says on Aug 5, 2007, 22:57:

Wow!
In that case... you just let the cat out of de bag and this should be a quite interesting week ahead!

Where do we go from here?

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Aaron21 says on Aug 5, 2007, 23:03:

I see more moderator deletions on PBH in the next few days than the Whitehouse has performed in the last four years....

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Miguel_Clavo says on Aug 5, 2007, 23:53:

now that IS interersting....maybe Aaron21 and i can continue where we left off??.....you want to come out and play, Aaron21??jajajajajja.....just kidding......=)

"I would rather die living life, than to live a dying life."........ Oh, and my PM is always ON. Great Bumper Sticker: "Home of the Free, Because of the Brave"

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